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cheul · Post by **cheul** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:48 am

Could someone (Killvehicle ?) send me some dry takes of heavy riffs (to alternate between pure palm muting, power chords, etc...) so I can experiment further ?

Here's the signal chain :

Left channel : simulanalog TS + JCM 900 + EQ
Right channel : TS + Xmas tube + lots of EQ indeed Mutant.

+1 one EQ on master for the EQed version.

cheul · Post by **cheul** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:58 am

AndrewSimon wrote:OK No FX:

http://www.andras-shimon.com/TEMP/AT2_1stSoundsNoFx.mp3

Guitar is Epi Dot 335 with SD JB4 pickup (bridge) going into ART DPS II mic pre.

Really cool sounds. Could you post the wav version of the DI take please ?

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:24 pm

Mutant wrote:
AndrewSimon wrote:OK No FX:
Hmm why am i hearing a little amount of reverb ? Or am i imagining it ?
Is there some kind of room simulation or something ?

Maybe there's some unintentional reverb on cabinet and microphone impulses ?

Yeah this is what they call microphone "AMBIENCE" (top right corner control in the CAB section).
It is set to minimum in this clip.
As far as I know you can NOT completely disable it.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:05 pm

It's OK. Not full-price "OK", but OK nonetheless.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:08 pm

cheul wrote:
AndrewSimon wrote:OK No FX:

http://www.andras-shimon.com/TEMP/AT2_1stSoundsNoFx.mp3

Guitar is Epi Dot 335 with SD JB4 pickup (bridge) going into ART DPS II mic pre.

Really cool sounds. Could you post the wav version of the DI take please ?

Not sure why but here it is, I grabbed it straight from Tracktion 32bit/44.1KHz.

http://www.andras-shimon.com/TEMP/32bitDI.wav

I want to point out there is nothing special that I have done here.
So far I used AT2 for about 1/2 hour.
I dialed in this tone in about 2 minutes and hit record while playing this small riff.
The DI is clipping.

I will do some more clips as soon as I get a chance.

slh · Post by **slh** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:54 pm

here's another AT2 example using presets...

http://members.iinet.com.au/~wlh/sh/GF2.mp3

Vervil · Post by **Vervil** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:17 pm

Well here is my take on Amplitube 2 High Gain... Had no time to really work on it, short and raw a bit, played firts thing that has came to my mind, no FX, no doubling. Cheap Jackson with EMG85 in the bridge, only downtuned guitar I have here.

http://www.milking-rosewood.com/mp3/Amplitube2Take1.mp3

Let me know what do you think?

Is it high gain enough, or should it be more agressive?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:27 pm

Vervil wrote:Well here is my take on Amplitube 2 High Gain... Had no time to really work on it, short and raw a bit, played firts thing that has came to my mind, no FX, no doubling. Cheap Jackson with EMG85 in the bridge, only downtuned guitar I have here.

http://www.milking-rosewood.com/mp3/Amplitube2Take1.mp3

Let me know what do you think? Is it high gain enough, or should it be more agressive?

you should get an EMG 81 for the bridge and put the 85 in the neck where it belongs. The tone sounded rather flat (not as in pitch) and lacking what imo is true hi-gain, but that could be from the pick-up...I know because when I first bought my EMG 89 (an 85 with a coil tap) I put it in the bridge of a guitar and it was awful...then I actually read the directions

and learned it was a neck pick up...So I bought another 81 and put the 89 in the neck of my main guitar, which also has an 81....and both guitars now kick ass..

Vervil · Post by **Vervil** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:10 pm

Yes, neck is standard position for 85, but a lot of more extreme metal bands switches positions of 81 and 85, you get more meat and maybe a bit less definition when 85 is in bridge. So it is not that odd thing to do, some people actually prefer it this way.

Also as wood in this guitar is not great, and guitar was sounding somewhat thin, previous owner threw away original pickups and bought 85 intentionally, hoping to make up for guitar lacking in low end. So I got it like that, with 85 in the bridge. Maybe I will get 81 later, just to try it, neck position is without pickup right now. I must admit it is first guitar I own with actives, and I got it just for baritone tuning and heavy stuff, I am not really fan of active pickups.

Killvehicle · Post by **Killvehicle** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:31 am

Vervil wrote:Yes, neck is standard position for 85, but a lot of more extreme metal bands switches positions of 81 and 85, you get more meat and maybe a bit less definition when 85 is in bridge. So it is not that odd thing to do, some people actually prefer it this way.
Also as wood in this guitar is not great, and guitar was sounding somewhat thin, previous owner threw away original pickups and bought 85 intentionally, hoping to make up for guitar lacking in low end. So I got it like that, with 85 in the bridge. Maybe I will get 81 later, just to try it, neck position is without pickup right now. I must admit it is first guitar I own with actives, and I got it just for baritone tuning and heavy stuff, I am not really fan of active pickups.

Pretty much right on man, and the last line is exact.!!! Active Emg's are way overated!!! I dont get it at all but an 85 in th ebridge is fine, and if HInk thinks THIS makes the differnece between high gain and not, he is mistaken,, I play SUPER high gain almost all the time, and I can tell you this. EMG's are not the Best for high gain and 2. SUPER high gain(which EMG's are not) DO not sound good going direct or with HIgh gain amps, I Have learned that a good medium to high power pickup are exactly what is needed when playing on high gain amps.!! I used to use the Dimarzio X2N, probably the highest gain pickup around. and have since backed off to a Dimarzio TOne ZOne!! or Dimarzio Norton!@! Any of you high gain f**kers like me need to try one of those!! Unbelievable the amount of pure sounding distortion this gives,actually more distorted sounnding, and there is no need to kick a HI gain amp into overdrive with a pickup, if its already HI -gain.,. It then becomes muddy, which loses definition, which also sounds LESS distroted and overdriven

Vervil · Post by **Vervil** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:26 am

Matter of taste, I guess. I love dynamics and definition of passive pickups, adn I don't play that much extreme metal stuff. Actually, I have Joe Burdens on my main guitar that are hotter but very clean and defined.

Btw, it seems that thread has died just when I have arrived with my clip

Too bad, and it was not A2 clip (I do not have it), I was just fishing to see how people will react, based on preusumptions, sorry.

Hink you thought that this one was not that much different than other A2 clips? I ask because you made no comments about it except it sounds flat, blaming it on pickup?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:00 am

Killvehicle wrote:
Vervil wrote:Yes, neck is standard position for 85, but a lot of more extreme metal bands switches positions of 81 and 85, you get more meat and maybe a bit less definition when 85 is in bridge. So it is not that odd thing to do, some people actually prefer it this way.
Also as wood in this guitar is not great, and guitar was sounding somewhat thin, previous owner threw away original pickups and bought 85 intentionally, hoping to make up for guitar lacking in low end. So I got it like that, with 85 in the bridge. Maybe I will get 81 later, just to try it, neck position is without pickup right now. I must admit it is first guitar I own with actives, and I got it just for baritone tuning and heavy stuff, I am not really fan of active pickups.
Pretty much right on man, and the last line is exact.!!! Active Emg's are way overated!!! I dont get it at all but an 85 in th ebridge is fine, and if HInk thinks THIS makes the differnece between high gain and not, he is mistaken,, I play SUPER high gain almost all the time, and I can tell you this. EMG's are not the Best for high gain and 2. SUPER high gain(which EMG's are not) DO not sound good going direct or with HIgh gain amps, I Have learned that a good medium to high power pickup are exactly what is needed when playing on high gain amps.!! I used to use the Dimarzio X2N, probably the highest gain pickup around. and have since backed off to a Dimarzio TOne ZOne!! or Dimarzio Norton!@! Any of you high gain f**kers like me need to try one of those!! Unbelievable the amount of pure sounding distortion this gives,actually more distorted sounnding, and there is no need to kick a HI gain amp into overdrive with a pickup, if its already HI -gain.,. It then becomes muddy, which loses definition, which also sounds LESS distroted and overdriven

I didn't say EMGs were super hi-gain...I simply stated that he might find the 81 better in the bridge as many do...he explained why and it made sense...however I won't say everyone should use EMGs, but I wouldn't say they are overated. In fact many, many fine guitar players do dislike them...but many, many fine guitar players do like them as well, so I guess it's subjective. However though you may not like them, I do....and because I'm not just looking for one tone...I don't go for total high gain in everything I do...I try to keep a thing called dynamics a part of the song, the same sound day in, day out gets old...Vervil was right, I like clarity...I have found that the longer I've played the lower I set my gain, thus the less distortion I need to get the job done (but also less noise which leaves more room for subtle dynamics) and the more dynamic my sound is...so I'm really not sure what your problem is with me offering an opinion on his pick-up positioning, it didn't seem to bother him and he had a good explanation...

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:36 am

Vervil wrote:Too bad, and it was not A2 clip (I do not have it)

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH !!!

What have you done - because of your clip i just bought AT2

NOW GIVE ME BACK MY $400 !!!

LOL Just kidding i dont have $400 to spend on a vst amp.

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:40 am

Vervil wrote:http://www.milking-rosewood.com/mp3/Amplitube2Take1.mp3

Sounds good , what amp did you use ?

Vervil wrote: Let me know what do you think? Is it high gain enough, or should it be more agressive?

Yes it is Hi Gain enough - after multiple tracking it would sound awesome.

ps. I got distracted by all this talk about EMGs and thats why i did not say anything about the clip earlier.

Niksounds · Post by **Niksounds** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:37 am

Mutant wrote:
Vervil wrote:http://www.milking-rosewood.com/mp3/Amplitube2Take1.mp3
Sounds good , what amp did you use ?

Vervil wrote: Let me know what do you think? Is it high gain enough, or should it be more agressive?
Yes it is Hi Gain enough - after multiple tracking it would sound awesome.

ps. I got distracted by all this talk about EMGs and thats why i did not say anything about the clip earlier.

hE USES gUITAR rIG 2

Amplitube 2's Hi-Gain sounds..