a coupla live 5 midi and automation questions - gurus please
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ttoz wrote:I am finally grasping the power of this app.........
I'm not certain I have understood all these correctly, but I'll have a go at answering...just three little areas that are annoying me....
If you double click over any point over an envelope it creates a new node. You can drag that node to precisely where you want it to be. Also of course you can scroll in very precisely, which helps with accurate node placement.1) With automation envelopes, there seems to be no way in either draw mode or standard "point" mode to see exactly where these "points" are being placed. Also, no way to adjust actual values of points precisely. And lastly, can clips be COPIED including automation data?
If you right click over the piano roll (or the Apple equivalent) you can select the grid quantise.2) there seems to be no indicator of exactly where midi notes are being moved and dropped around in the midi editor? Is this correct?
Drag the mouse over the notes, go to Edit > Quantise and you can select durations that way.and...is there anyway to equalize midi note lengths and velocities of a selected group of notes?
For note velocities, simply select the pencil tool and draw a line over the velocity bars below the piano roll.
I guess one way to do that is to extend the MIDI clip(s) across the whole track. You can do this by using the "consolidate" function (works for Audio tracks in the same way and merges all the clips into one long track - very handy if you are moving a project into a different sequencer application for example).3)is there anyway to match the midi editor timeline with the main arrange timeline? i.e., say you have a midi clip starting at bar 31.1.1 and you double click to edit the notes, the editor always starts at 1.1.1.1.......
No worries - I hoped I helped!answers much appreciated.!
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240 - KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
cheers ttoz ... i didn't know you could do that ... really have gotta RTFM ...headquest wrote:ttoz wrote:I am finally grasping the power of this app.........I guess one way to do that is to extend the MIDI clip(s) across the whole track. You can do this by using the "consolidate" function (works for Audio tracks in the same way and merges all the clips into one long track - very handy if you are moving a project into a different sequencer application for example).3)is there anyway to match the midi editor timeline with the main arrange timeline? i.e., say you have a midi clip starting at bar 31.1.1 and you double click to edit the notes, the editor always starts at 1.1.1.1.......
I hoped I helped!
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
EDIT to my previous post:
To do this, in the arrangment, select the MIDI track and drag the mouse over the first few (empty) bars of the arrangement. Then select "Insert > Insert MIDI clip" from the menu and a blank MIDI clip will be created at the start of the arrangement.
Once you have done that proceed as I explained before: select all the MIDI clips in the track, right click and select "Consolidate" from the dropdown menu. This will convert all your MIDI clips into one clip the length of the track. When you open the MIDI edit window for the clip the bar numbers for the clip will all be as per the bar numbers for whole arrangement.
I hope this clarifies and helps.
To clarify, if the track starts with a blank (i.e. there is no MIDI clip on that track until later in the arrangement), you will need to create an empty MIDI clip at the start of the track.headquest wrote:I guess one way to do that is to extend the MIDI clip(s) across the whole track. You can do this by using the "consolidate" function (works for Audio tracks in the same way and merges all the clips into one long track - very handy if you are moving a project into a different sequencer application for example).
To do this, in the arrangment, select the MIDI track and drag the mouse over the first few (empty) bars of the arrangement. Then select "Insert > Insert MIDI clip" from the menu and a blank MIDI clip will be created at the start of the arrangement.
Once you have done that proceed as I explained before: select all the MIDI clips in the track, right click and select "Consolidate" from the dropdown menu. This will convert all your MIDI clips into one clip the length of the track. When you open the MIDI edit window for the clip the bar numbers for the clip will all be as per the bar numbers for whole arrangement.
I hope this clarifies and helps.
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- KVRAF
- 3617 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from Bradford - The Armpit of Britain
Yes - clips can be copied.ttoz wrote: 1) And lastly, can clips be COPIED including automation data?
The envelopes (automation data) can also be unlinked from the clips & copied seperately - audio &/or midi.
That's where some of the fun can come in - when one has created some nice sample offset 'maps' for example to mash a beat up.
You can drag n drop save the clips also, useful for building up a little library of useful envelopes etc.
TBH i've only really played a little with that aspect of live myself - there will likely be more info on the ableton forums, especially on the 'tips & tricks' section.
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- KVRAF
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Ooops - forgot to answer that part of the question. Thanks for filling in the gap diverdee! Also, "Hi" now that I appear to be back...
By the way (ttoz, etc): you can also copy "warp markers" from one audio clip/track to another. By doing that your can in effect "groove quantise" audio recordings. Great stuff!
By the way (ttoz, etc): you can also copy "warp markers" from one audio clip/track to another. By doing that your can in effect "groove quantise" audio recordings. Great stuff!
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- KVRAF
- 3617 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from Bradford - The Armpit of Britain
Easy HQ 
Also one can drag different samples onto a clip, keeping the same envelope/clip settings/automation - for quick auditioning.
The envelopes & automation can also be seperate from the clip lenghtwise, e.g. a four bar clip/loop can have an automation envelope of practically any length - nice for evolving sounds or just for amusing jiggery-pokery.
Also check out the following tutorial on utilising dummy clips, makes sense once you have a play with it.
Also one can drag different samples onto a clip, keeping the same envelope/clip settings/automation - for quick auditioning.
The envelopes & automation can also be seperate from the clip lenghtwise, e.g. a four bar clip/loop can have an automation envelope of practically any length - nice for evolving sounds or just for amusing jiggery-pokery.
Also check out the following tutorial on utilising dummy clips, makes sense once you have a play with it.
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Hi ttoz!
Sorry if I'm not quite understanding your questions. I'll have another try and hopefully do better!...
When you move an automation node, the node value is displayed alongside the mouse, but the postion must be determined by using the main timeline/quantisation grid. You can scroll in very close of course, and line up automation events very directly over MIDI notes or audio transients, which is surely the best approach to getting your automation placement completely precise. Also you can "lock" automation in place over the clip so that it moves with the clip if necessary. To do this you use the Padlock Icon at the top right of the arrangement timeline.
OR: if you right click and switch the grid OFF, when you select notes a clear vertical line appears which you can line up very precisely with the timeline. Also of course you can scroll in very close indeed. But you do need to use your eyes and ears for it - to the best of my knowledge a precise numerical value is not seperately displayed.
I don't think there is an automatic way of (for example) selecting three notes and making them all of equal duration. I think that you have to adjust each note (using the grid) individually. If you enter a note with the grid switched off of course, notes two and three will automatically be the same length as note one, so perhaps this is something...?
I hope that helps better! Cheers.
Sorry if I'm not quite understanding your questions. I'll have another try and hopefully do better!...
You can see the exact position of a clip at the bottom left of the screen yes, but automation position is not displayed in this way, no.ttoz wrote: Yep, but, you are only being told the VALUE of the node, but not WHERE in the timeline it is...make sense? Like when you drag a clip in the arrange view, you see the exact position the clip is being moved to.....I want to know if this can be done with automation....
When you move an automation node, the node value is displayed alongside the mouse, but the postion must be determined by using the main timeline/quantisation grid. You can scroll in very close of course, and line up automation events very directly over MIDI notes or audio transients, which is surely the best approach to getting your automation placement completely precise. Also you can "lock" automation in place over the clip so that it moves with the clip if necessary. To do this you use the Padlock Icon at the top right of the arrangement timeline.
Not exaclty no. There is no MIDI event list or comparable level of detail... you need to use the grid and place notes as you will according to the grid.ttoz wrote: 2) there seems to be no indicator of exactly where midi notes are being moved and dropped around in the midi editor? ... It's still not telling me WHERE it is...I have to look at the grid and the ruler all the time. Unless there is a way to make it do this....
OR: if you right click and switch the grid OFF, when you select notes a clear vertical line appears which you can line up very precisely with the timeline. Also of course you can scroll in very close indeed. But you do need to use your eyes and ears for it - to the best of my knowledge a precise numerical value is not seperately displayed.
We'll come to velocities in a minute, but firstly note lengths/durations...ttoz wrote: and...is there anyway to equalize midi note lengths and velocities of a selected group of notes? ... understood, but it will only quantize lengths to the nearest subdivision chosen, not actually equalize say a group of three notes that are vastly different lengths. Or again, am i wrong?
I don't think there is an automatic way of (for example) selecting three notes and making them all of equal duration. I think that you have to adjust each note (using the grid) individually. If you enter a note with the grid switched off of course, notes two and three will automatically be the same length as note one, so perhaps this is something...?
If you press the ALT key and hovver over a note with the mouse, the exact velocity will be displayed numerically. You can left click and drag it up and down to adjust the velocity exactly. Importantly, once you have adjusted the velocity of a note, this becomes the new default velocity value for mouse-based note entry. So if you double click over other notes using the pencil tool, they will be removed and re-entered at the matching velocity. This is a very quick and effective way of doing what I think it is you are asking... but let me know if I have misunderstood again!!cheers, but again, can velocities be equalized? This may be important for a classic trance "off kick" bass that you often hear.
I hope that helps better! Cheers.
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