XT Resources:(Skins)

[jens]

Imo this has what it takes to beome the new XT2 default-skin...

well I wouldn't go quite that far... the black outlines really have an impact on the visual side.

yes, it would probably need a bit of improvement but it has a style of its own and is very functional...

(no offence intended at all - but e.g. if you compare the readability of the gain-values copared to ModernRetro... - superb solution here )

[Hovmod]

I like the sphere one, except on some of the buttons (sends/inserts, for instance) you can't see the symbols until you click them, and I can't remember what all the buttons do without symbols or hints...

[.jon]

I'm not comparing this to my skins, jens, but to the default... and the new default should be improvement over that.

Re: faders- IMO the value has no meaning what so ever until it gets log scale, I use a skin with the values hidden completely

[jens]

I'm not comparing this to my skins, jens, but to the default... and the new default should be improvement over that.

imo it's a clear improvement over the default-skin (which is way too dark imo) - e.g. the grid-lines are much easier to spot (these are things that are crucial to me)

Re: faders- IMO the value has no meaning what so ever until it gets log scale)

yup, but I already explained to you in this thread why the values are indeed important to me


(because I have envelope-templates saved which need to match the current value of a track if I want to automate its volume - without being able to read it properly I mess up my mix when setting up the envelope)

[pHz]

blimey !!! a bit of a response to this one !!!

If you want to do eye candy you really need to drop the black outlines... but this one still looks way cool a lot better than the mono stuff

heehee ... im sure youve sussed by now i DONT want to do eye candy particularly ... and the black outlines are (on the whole) intentional ... its what reminds me these are just graphics and not tactile objects ...

Cool icons and best colours from you so far, meaning that they are very good- I'll copy these with or without your permission

of course ... id do the same for you ...

The icon white is a bit odd choice, though? Doesn't see to go so well with the rest of the skin.

and I think the zoom-buttons are a bit too shiny compared to the rest of the skin...

well I wouldn't go quite that far... the black outlines really have an impact on the visual side.

yes, it would probably need a bit of improvement but it has a style of its own and is very functional...

the school easter hols end today so i just wanted to get this one out ... i REALLY like it though so some tweakage may well occur over next weekend if not sooner ...

(no offence intended at all - but e.g. if you compare the readability of the gain-values copared to ModernRetro... - superb solution here )

cheers mate ... getting the fader values working cleanly is something ive been working on for a while now ... only problem with the current solution is it makes grabbing the fader handle a little - erm - odd at times in the lower areas of the faders ... if we need value readouts in XT2 i hope jorgen gives them a seperate 'value' box rather than superimposing on the fader area ...

Imo this has what it takes to beome the new XT2 default-skin...

cheers hun !!! ... time for arrogance then ... as this one was developing that was kind of the thought at the very back of my mind ... up to jorgen though ... maybe he wants to go back to the blue ???

... thanks for the quick feedback folks ... as ever ... things to think about and the todo list grows ... back to work tomorrow though ... BUGGER !!!

slainte rob

[.jon]

You're the only one who does that with the envelopes without db scaling the faders and their values are useless as reference.

[pHz]

You're the only one who does that with the envelopes

probably being tired stupid here but ... eh ???

without db scaling the faders and their values are useless as reference.

entirely true ... but its kind of an intellectual exercise for me to work within the limits of how jorgen presents the app ... and faders ARENT always db values of course ...

slainte rob

[.jon]

pHz, BR: your vert faders are some pixels too thin - the mixer value goes scrambly.

(and out of pure vanity I just checked the visibility of the fader values in sPhere and ModernRetro, and I find the situation quite the opposite... maybe Jens you don't have the latest version?)

[jens]

You're the only one who does that with the envelopes without db scaling the faders and their values are useless as reference.

soorry, but nope - if you say this it means you still haven't got my explanation - was it this bad?


- say I've got track X in a certain song

- I have carefully mixed this song and have set the gain for track X to 63

- now I realize that for one part of the song (say a brigde) I need to lower its volume to some degree

- now I load my 'linear 65'-template (one bar long) to a track that's set up to automate the gain of track X, loop around it and fine-adjust it until track X
is set to 63 again

- then I resize the part until it matches the length of the song and adjust the envelope for the bridge until I'm satisfied

In this case it doesn't really matter that the gain-values are only seven bit because seven bits are usually enough for this part of the mixing process (setting the appropriate track-level of each respective track compared to all other tracks)


got it now?



edits: typos

[.jon]

You're the only one who does that with the envelopes

probably being tired stupid here but ... eh ???

that was for Jens... or am I the only one who does not have such envelope presets

[Hovmod]

Oh, perhaps a bit more contrast for unselected notes in the midi editor? I can hardly see the notes, particularly loooong ones that extend past the editor window.

[.jon]

soorry, but nope - if you say this it means you still haven't got my explanation - was it this bad?

No, I got it the first time but what I meant that your method is probably not very common. For example when I mix I already have a volume envelope for every track, from start to end. And I'm used to normal fader +/- scaling, the readings "63" have nothing I can relate to, I only mix by ear in eXT.

[pHz]

pHz, BR: your vert faders are some pixels too thin - the mixer value goes scrambly.

spot on ... the thin-ness was a thoughtless quick fix for something else ... silly oversight ... easy enough to sort ...

... FIXED

Oh, perhaps a bit more contrast for unselected notes in the midi editor? I can hardly see the notes, particularly loooong ones that extend past the editor window.

another thing on the list ...

(same link for fixed version)

slainte rob

[jens]

soorry, but nope - if you say this it means you still haven't got my explanation - was it this bad?

No, I got it the first time but what I meant that your method is probably not very common. For example when I mix I already have a volume envelope for every track, from start to end. And I'm used to normal fader +/- scaling, the readings "63" have nothing I can relate to, I only mix by ear in eXT.

HELLOHELLOHELLO


you confuse the hell out of me...


- I mix by ears as well

- 7bit values are also nothing I can relate to (just as db actually) but I do not need to relate to something because hey - tell you what? - I mix by ear

- I have for all my default-tracks volume-envelopes readily set up

- they are muted by default

- if they weren't muted I wouldn't be able to adjust their gain by hand (because the gain was then locked to the envelope of course)

- I adjust the gain of the tracks by hand and by ear thus I don't really care too much whether the tracks show db or 7bit values

- if I unsolo an envelope-track for automating the track-gain which I previously adjusted by hand and by ear I need to have a part that matches the current gain of the track I adjusted by hand and by ear or else all the work I did by hand and by ear will be lost

- to match this gain it is irrelevant whether the track shows db, seconds, kilos, gallons, inches or 7bit values just as it is now

- so saying thou shouldst not be able to read thy track-gain values because thou hast set up envelopes for the tracks means thou cannst not adjust their gain by hand at all but only by envelope-adjustements - and thou still sayest my way of working is not as usual as thine?

[.jon]

Jens, this is really not this serious and probably very confusing for people who came here for skins

Yes, I reset the whole project mixer when I start to mix. I set basic levels from the instruments or clips, I think that's why they have volume knobs? Yes, I only use the envelopes when making the mix, as like you said, they control the track volume and adjusting them directly makes much more sense... and the mixing easier.

If the faders were properly scaled, precise long-throw faders, I'd use them. But currently everytime I touch them they move (!), and that really throws me off. Envelope points don't do that, and they are more precise. A downside of this is that the settings only affect the mouse is released.

This is when I mix inside the sequencer, many projects happen in the main window and then I use the faders on my keyboard, linked to mixer(s) to mix it the old-fashioned way.

I don't think eXT's mixing side is very good, but I'm too lazy to take things to Tracktion anymore, besides I hate that damn thing I should actually try Reaper, Audacity or Kristal for this!

This whole discussion is just another proof that there's a hundred ways of doing the same thing in eXT, neither is wrong or right and that's the coolest thing.

happy mixing,

.jon