KVR Audio

SonicBreeze · Post by **SonicBreeze** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:56 pm

John Vulich wrote:
SonicBreeze wrote:features not there like freeze and send FX from VSTi etc., as pointed out earlier in the thread are mangeable as they are not show stopper. And everybody does not need them.
You're whacked! Sends for VSTis and a more flexible routing scheme are essential. The other thing that is f**ked up about ACID, is the restriction of only being able to adjust loop lengths to increments of 4/4.

That's why I still dont consider it as a Full-timer DAW. But for the sake of using it, I would like it to be more stable for atleast what it does .

Rednroll · Post by **Rednroll** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:43 am

3. if it's not making it as a mature daw, what's missing?

Here's what I feel it is missing. I'm a long time Vegas and Acid user. The Acid 6 release is a good one, but it still falls a little short compared to Vegas on the audio editing department, and it's a little disappointing not to see Acid get everything that Sony has already developed on the audio side of Vegas.

Here's my biggies:
1. Does not allow you do drag and drop media from one track to another. You have to use Cut and Paste to do this, where in Vegas you can freely drag and drop and also use keyboard short-cut keys to move media events from one track to another.

2. Missing Vegas event editing features. No "Slide" edit point functionality like in Vegas. No TRIM event edge modes like in Vegas.

3. No current project Media pool as seen in Vegas

4. Punch-in on the Fly, but no Punch-out on the fly functionality. Thus, it's a feature that is only half implemented in my opinion.

5. Event selection does not carry over to Sound Forge when you select "Edit in Sound Forge".

6. No "Open COPY in Sound Forge" like you're able to do in Vegas.

7. No "Apply Non-realtime FX" to events like you're able to do in Vegas, so you have the ability to process FX's offline.

8. No Track Freeze capability, although there are work arounds for this.

9. No Event Grouping Feature like seen in Vegas.

10. No Metronome Count-in for Recording or Wait midi note recording options.

11. No event Stretch options like seen in Vegas.

12. Acid has CD authoring tools built into it, yet still no CDtext support as seen in CD Architect.

Overall Acid 6 is a great step forward on the DAW side with multitrack feature updates and midi sequencing features, but we have seen what Sony can do on the Vegas side of multitrack audio options and Acid is still lagging behind Sony's "Video" editor, so not having all the Vegas audio capabilities in Acid is a bit disappointing.

LBN · Post by **LBN** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:26 am

It crashed while scanning my vstplugins folder. Every time I tried to start it. I use no cracked or experimental software so I can't be arsed to try it if it can't be arsed to scan my plugins that every other program seems to handle just fine.

And Sony Media Manager? No thanks. My media is just fine without it. I appreciate its reassigning all my file associations without asking or notifying me.

I swear to christ if Sony were a dude and standing in front of me right now I would kick him square in the nards. Hard. Twice.

aaastronomer · Post by **aaastronomer** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:23 am

rachmiel wrote:acid users, i'm writing a review of acid pro 6 for a magazine and i'd love your opinions on something. sony media would like to position acid pro 6 as a full-fledged daw to compete against the big boys: live 5, sonar 5, fl studio, even cubase and pro tools.

1. do you think it's up to the task?

2. how do you think its timestretching and beatmatching compare to live 5's (which seems to be the best out there)?

3. if it's not making it as a mature daw, what's missing?

thanks very much. your opinions will inform the review, which in turn should help people make the right daw decision.

i've been using the demo for the last ten days. the big bug is stuttering when doing windows and midi manipulation during playback.

now, i haven't attempted record external sources or midi sync external devices or play live kb into it, so there may be problems in these areas. my main way of working is syncing wav files to midi over a wide range of soft synths. it is optimal for what i do.

i own live 5, fl studio 6, project 5, reason 3 (haven't used this in ages), cubase sx 3, and acid 5. i've tried the sonar 5 demo and find sonar too cluttered and confusing (compared to the others). i will only purchase new versions of live and acid (possibly cubase) in the future!

as for your questions: 1. yes, 2. favorably, 3. native pro quality mastering tools.

rachmiel · Post by **rachmiel** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:24 pm

thanks everyone. review due today ... it's going to be overall favorable, but with some nontrivial reservations.

in case you're wonder what i think: i really love using acid for loop-based pieces or prototypes of non-loop pieces. i'm a bit more hesitant to use it for final mixes and mastering; but that might be more habit than anything else. and i, too, have had problems with vst usage: lots of crashes, odd behavior, etc.

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:41 pm

rachmiel wrote:thanks everyone. review due today ... it's going to be overall favorable, but with some nontrivial reservations.

Ok...you said at the beginning of this thread that...

acid users, i'm writing a review of acid pro 6 for a magazine

Which one is it? Or are you not allowed to say?

mahtazz · Post by **mahtazz** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:45 pm

rachmiel · Post by **rachmiel** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:49 pm

> are you not allowed to say

correct. i'm not trying to be coy or annoying, just to keep my job. ;-)

billybk1 · Post by **billybk1** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:58 pm

This looks like the first "official" review, of ACID Pro 6, it's done, by Frank Moldstad. He has done many published reviews, of AV/computer related software & hardware, over the years, for various print periodicals and webzines. He does a basic overview, of the many new features and offers his views, of the performance side, of ACID Pro 6, while using his own P4 3.2Ghz/1.5GB/XP Pro computer. He ends the review with:

The program is now an audio production powerhouse. This is the best and most comprehensive version of ACID Pro ever, by far. Anyone who hasn't upgraded from a previous version yet should do so as soon as possible, and if you've never had the pleasure of using ACID Pro, now's the time to dive in. I highly recommend it.

Frank Moldstad

http://www.audiovideoproducer.com/artic ... p?id=39232

Cheers,

Billy Buck

rachmiel · Post by **rachmiel** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:08 pm

i wonder how much sony paid him ... ? ;-)

JUST KIDDING!

mahtazz · Post by **mahtazz** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:50 pm

rachmiel wrote:> are you not allowed to say

correct. i'm not trying to be coy or annoying, just to keep my job.

Hi Rachmiel,

Near all of us read your montly column.

rachmiel · Post by **rachmiel** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:52 pm

i'm really glad to hear that people read my columns. sometimes it feels like a message in a bottle: toss it out and hope that it drifts to an interested reader.

Cabinfever · Post by **Cabinfever** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:59 pm

So rachmiel, it's this review that's been holding up icepad 2.0 then ?

rachmiel · Post by **rachmiel** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:00 pm

> it's this review that's been holding up icepad 2.0 then

! ;-) actually, i'm thinking about doing a "professional" line of rachMielia: reaktor ensembles, samples, etc. icePad would be part of it.

jmbriley · Post by **jmbriley** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:43 pm

Oh I have the NRF version of T1. Do you know if it supports PDC. I guess I can find out when I get home but just wondering if you knew.

acid 6 = daw?