Just wondering what sort of effect/distortion plugin would enable me to add a screaming/growling effect to a sampled sax. I know that sax samples aren't as good as physically modelled instruments (which is what I ultimately want). So I wanted to get some expressiveness in the sampled sax sound, and thought that using some sort of VST effect would be able to pull this scream/growl off. Not sure if a plugin affecting certain areas of the sound spectrum (a certain frequency range) would help.
If anyone knows what I could use, I'd really appreciate some tips.
Thanks
Ben
How to give sampled sax a screaming sound with an effect???
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- KVRAF
- 2432 posts since 15 Jul, 2004 from Italy
Hi Ben,
I envise two ways:
- to get growl, you have to add harmonics at 1/3 of the fundamental. But I don't know how to get these by existing effects. You can test the sound by looking at our synth "Voices" on www.sknote.it , there is a growl control, but only for internal use
- to make the sax scream, you should insert an effect that applies a wavetable, controlled by velocity (or breath). The more the volume, the more the distortion....
Sorry, I cannot be more specific...
Quinto
I envise two ways:
- to get growl, you have to add harmonics at 1/3 of the fundamental. But I don't know how to get these by existing effects. You can test the sound by looking at our synth "Voices" on www.sknote.it , there is a growl control, but only for internal use
- to make the sax scream, you should insert an effect that applies a wavetable, controlled by velocity (or breath). The more the volume, the more the distortion....
Sorry, I cannot be more specific...
Quinto
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- KVRAF
- 4345 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
I tried doing this in my Fantom S, and i came somewhat close.
I had a square LFO modulate the volume at a pretty fast rate, while opening the filter a bit, when i applied modulation. There's also a parameter in the fantom S that adds some grit to the sound. forgot the name though...
I had a square LFO modulate the volume at a pretty fast rate, while opening the filter a bit, when i applied modulation. There's also a parameter in the fantom S that adds some grit to the sound. forgot the name though...
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I wonder if using a pluugin similar to octafuzz and automating it might work 
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- KVRAF
- 4265 posts since 21 Oct, 2001 from my bolthole in the south pacific
Some of the best sax scream tones (eg Dave Sanborn's) are actually multiphonics. High baffle metal mouthpieces like he uses really boost the trebly harmonics in the sax tone. I don't think you will get anything like that sound out of ordinary sax tones and distortion or Eq plugs.
If you can get samples of the tone you like - all well and good - but transforming a different tone and turning it into a scream does not sound feasible. The ear is not so easily tricked IMO.
If you can get samples of the tone you like - all well and good - but transforming a different tone and turning it into a scream does not sound feasible. The ear is not so easily tricked IMO.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I think the sax and guitar are two of the hardest to emulate amoungst "common" instruments (I'm taking a little license there with common)..sax is very difficult for sure...egbert wrote:Some of the best sax scream tones (eg Dave Sanborn's) are actually multiphonics. High baffle metal mouthpieces like he uses really boost the trebly harmonics in the sax tone. I don't think you will get anything like that sound out of ordinary sax tones and distortion or Eq plugs.
If you can get samples of the tone you like - all well and good - but transforming a different tone and turning it into a scream does not sound feasible. The ear is not so easily tricked IMO.
here it comes.....lol
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- KVRAF
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
One of the problems with sax emulation is that it has the most complex
harmonic overtones of any of the "common" instruments.
Plus they are different for every note.
Plus the multiphonics described above (my forte) are hideously complex.
They contain quarter tone or smaller chords within them and most are
"aleatory" - much is left to chance, small changes in air pressure,
emboucher, and position of mouth on reed make large changes in the resulting
sound.
BUT I have an idea: get a separate sample of a scream you like and toss it
into Clone Boy VST and use the modwheel on the wet/dry envelope. Best idea
I can come up with.
harmonic overtones of any of the "common" instruments.
Plus they are different for every note.
Plus the multiphonics described above (my forte) are hideously complex.
They contain quarter tone or smaller chords within them and most are
"aleatory" - much is left to chance, small changes in air pressure,
emboucher, and position of mouth on reed make large changes in the resulting
sound.
BUT I have an idea: get a separate sample of a scream you like and toss it
into Clone Boy VST and use the modwheel on the wet/dry envelope. Best idea
I can come up with.
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- Banned
- 12367 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
i also doubt you'll be convincing w/ sample procesisng, but fwiw, one of the nord pm tutorials out there 'fakes' growling by modulating at 30Hz with a triangle waveform :p how? mebbe an lpf, am.. ???
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- KVRian
- 1480 posts since 14 Jun, 2003
Maybe fade in some ring modulation.
i play tenor and i think i only make it thru less than 2% of my solos without milking the screams and growls, its the fun part!
i play tenor and i think i only make it thru less than 2% of my solos without milking the screams and growls, its the fun part!
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- KVRAF
- 4878 posts since 13 Jun, 2002 from Montreal
