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Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:51 am

"And Justice For All" is notoriously terrible in guitar tone department. Most of the "fizz" that you refer to is diminished by nothing more complicated than a gate. I know the "crunch" you're talking about, though, and all I gotta say to anyone reading this thread is-- less gain, more mids!

System of a Down that you refer to, I agree totally about. I got flamed in another thread once for thinking of it as "punishing" (much to my annoyance), but the fact is that it has that hit-you-in-stomach tone achieved by SOAD *is* actually partially created by less gain, so perhaps the person I was annoyed at was right after all by calling it "not high gain".

Greg

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:20 am

On page six I mentioned the "less gain is more balls" concept. I stand by that. You've gotta have some gain, sure, but the harmonic content can't be so out of control as to make a complex chord fizzle out of recognition. The palm and ghost notes are what make a right-hand metal god a right-hand metal god. My 2 cents.

An ultimate example would be Trouble's "Pychotic Reaction". Brutal riffing with just enought 70's to be cool yet very modern.

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 1:38 am

Shane Sanders wrote:An ultimate example would be Trouble's "Pychotic Reaction".

f**king fantastic track, and perfect example..That was a truly GREAT album.

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:04 am

Sickle wrote:
Shane Sanders wrote:An ultimate example would be Trouble's "Pychotic Reaction".
f**king fantastic track, and perfect example..That was a truly GREAT album.

yeah, I love it, too.

Another retro example would be "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" at 3:19. Iommi plunges in with that uber-riff and it's all over. The intervals are doing half the work, the tone the other half. It's not as a heavy as the Trouble riff, but it illustrates the point.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:08 am

Shane Sanders wrote:
Sickle wrote:
Shane Sanders wrote:An ultimate example would be Trouble's "Pychotic Reaction".
f**king fantastic track, and perfect example..That was a truly GREAT album.

yeah, I love it, too.

Another retro example would be "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" at 3:19. Iommi plunges in with that uber-riff and it's all over. The intervals are doing half the work, the tone the other half. It's not as a heavy as the Trouble riff, but it illustrates the point.

I know I'm screwed up, but I have every Ozzy album, but the only black sabbath (save for a couple of songs) I like are with Dio. I think though that's because back in the day I was not aware of Iommi's tunings and his sound confused me...

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:09 am

Damn, man..you got me wanting to hear the Run to the Light album now..haven't listened to that one in years..

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:20 am

Hink wrote:but the only black sabbath (save for a couple of songs) I like are with Dio. I think though that's because back in the day I was not aware of Iommi's tunings and his sound confused me...

Certainly the Dio era was cool, too. Who can argue with "Country Girl" or "Children of the Sea"? My god, you can hear the bass as if it were it's own voice! hehe.

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:24 am

Shane Sanders wrote:
Hink wrote:but the only black sabbath (save for a couple of songs) I like are with Dio. I think though that's because back in the day I was not aware of Iommi's tunings and his sound confused me...
Certainly the Dio era was cool, too. Who can argue with "Country Girl" or "Children of the Sea"? My god, you can hear the bass as if it were it's own voice! hehe.

Bleh..gimee Lonely is the World and Sign of the SOuthern Cross or gimme death..

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:27 am

Sickle wrote:Damn, man..you got me wanting to hear the Run to the Light album now..haven't listened to that one in years..

I only have these at the moment:

Plastic Green Head
Psalm 9
Trouble

I used to room with a guy who had Run to the Light on vinyl, though, so I've heard it but can't remember it except for good impressions. Did you ever get into the North Carolina band Confessor? If not, to me they represent some of the best odd riffs and original approach to doom as anybody. http://confessorband.com/ ...detuned madness with an original singer

Currently, Evoken is my fave doom band. They're new to me but apparently have been kind of seminal. I live in a sheltered world, limited by cash and by time.

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:30 am

Shane Sanders wrote:I used to room with a guy who had Run to the Light on vinyl, though, so I've heard it but can't remember it except for good impressions. Did you ever get into the North Carolina band Confessor?

Run to the Light is way heavier(check out the video link I sent you) and in a lot of ways a better album; the self-titled LP just had superior production with a mellower sound.

I listened to Confessor ages ago; can't remember shit about em..

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:35 am

Shane Sanders wrote:Currently, Evoken is my fave doom band. They're new to me but apparently have been kind of seminal. I live in a sheltered world, limited by cash and by time.

This is THE Ultimate Doom Album:

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:36 am

Sickle wrote:
Shane Sanders wrote:Currently, Evoken is my fave doom band. They're new to me but apparently have been kind of seminal. I live in a sheltered world, limited by cash and by time.
This is THE Ultimate Doom Album:

I have Cathedral's "Endtyme" and "The Carvival Bizarre". Will check out that one..

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:38 am

btw, confessorband.com has several full streams. Enough to give you taste to see if it warrants a purchase...

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:38 am

You have all the wrong albums..

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:40 am

Sickle wrote:You have all the wrong albums..

I plead poverty and bad distribution.

Amplitube 2's Hi-Gain sounds..