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I'm sure this has been said but I'll say it again; the thing is dead-sexy but I think that you must be aiming for a very select audience specificaly those who have a jones for the hardware synths of their youth (read old fogies).

Also you have completely seperated yourself from synth newbies with your design. If I had seen that GUI when I was first learning synthesis I think I might have had an aneurism, of course with the feature set it looks like this baby will have you probably are not aiming for the newbie market.

Anyway quite lovely but certainly a new front in the war of form vs. function

p.s. 1024x768 (desktop) 1280x800 (laptop)

p.p.s. One of my favs for GUI Image

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jplanet wrote:AQ, if you read this forum for a while, you'll see that the trend is to support developers who actually care about their customers. So, if the synth has bugs in Tracktion, will you say that it's a low-end host, get with it, get a real host?

To see these statistics and still not budge just shows how stubborn you are.

I'm on a 21" monitor for crying out loud, how much bigger should my monitor get?

And Dazza, you can see the number of 1024X768 users increase from last April to now, and still say that the world is moving on from such LOW resoltion screens? Since when is a 21" monitor at 1024 low resolution?

Good luck with the product, AQ, but I'm not going to be excited about a developer who doesn't bother to research his client base for even five minutes (I found the reoslutions survey within 10 seconds on Google).

I could understand if you had a decade of experience in devlopment, but this is only your second product. Listening and learning should be key components of your approach this early on, not "this is what I got -- deal with it".
jplanet, are you one of my customers? If so, which one, cuz I know them all by name. Nobody cares more about their customers than me. Nobody.

It just may be though, for whatever reason, that this product isn't for you. As should be obvious from the many disparate opinions voiced in this thread, it's impossible to please everybody.

And again, again, again. I'm on a 17" screen. Size DOES NOT matter. Resolution (and monitor dot pitch) does. (And 1024, on ANY size screen, IS low resolution! We used to call that SVGA in 1993. Moore's Law, where are you when I need you?)

(P.S. I've been a professional GUI designer since 1991).

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AdmiralQuality wrote:pakana... it's called the minimize button. (Or try Ctrl-Tab!) Sorry, but you probably won't be easily able to play the mixer and the synth-knobs at the same time. (But I can't do that with any of the other powerful VA synths that I consider competition.)

You only have one mouse anyway. One hand is permanently tied behind your back in imaginary interface land.

And, it should fit FINE in 1280x800. Hide your taskbar maybe.
Cheers,

I said I'd like to see the mixer as there's stuff like level meters, but c'mon-

I can also control the mixer at the same time, and also other stuff via an extremely rare hi-tech professional solution called MIDI channels and MIDI continuous controllers. If you are not familiar with these technologies (yeah it's pretty cutting edge, I know), visit here:

http://www.midi.org/

:P

I don't use the mouse for while playing or sound design if I can avoid it, it ruins the vibe. Other hand is on the keys, the other on knobs and faders. I think this is pretty common, no?

Yeah ok it's 750 hi I looked at it inside the browser frame, but you probably know that many hosts add a header bar of various heights on GUIs. My taskbar is vertical, this is a widescreen, fwiw.

@ brok,

AQ filters sound stunning, if I wasn't expecting a good, very analog-sounding synth I wouldn't bother about the GUI.

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AdmiralQuality wrote:
jplanet, are you one of my customers? If so, which one, cuz I know them all by name. Nobody cares more about their customers than me. Nobody.

It just may be though, for whatever reason, that this product isn't for you. As should be obvious from the many disparate opinions voiced in this thread, it's impossible to please everybody.

And again, again, again. I'm on a 17" screen. Size DOES NOT matter. Resolution (and monitor dot pitch) does. (And 1024, on ANY size screen, IS low resolution! We used to call that SVGA in 1993. Moore's Law, where are you when I need you?)
You could have so many customers that you couldn't possibly know them all by name...aim for THAT situation!

Anyway, I'm just getting more denial of the facts presented.

This reminds me of one website client I had. She wanted ALL of the site text to be in images so that she could design every single page with the fonts that she wanted (she didn't want the default browser fonts to effect the layout). Two years later, she is asking me why she gets no more than a half-dozen vistors each week. The answer is the same thing i warned her about two years ago: search engines can't read text in images! And get this: rather than compromise the fonts, she'd rather not get any more site visitors! Her site is a failure, but it looks the way she wants it to, so that's the end of the story!

The synth will have to sound noticeably better than Modular V or Spectra or Zebra for me to consider. Those developers created synths that both sound incredible AND have brilliant GUI's. If it does, and your DSP coding is that good, please get a designer who is as skilled at design as you are at DSP! (As Torben did for Spectra).

Are any of the people in favor of this GUI experts at GUI development? Usability experts? User advocates?

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.jon wrote: I know you didn't, and we all have opinions. Anyway I wasn't really slagging you or Krakli off, I just see a lot in common with Karnage and Poly-Ana - both are red & fuzzy.
Here's a difference: One is *yet another implementation*, made out of a 3rd party product (SynthEdit) that we've all very familair with by now. And the other is a *completely unique new product*, developed in C++. It's just not targeted to the "free-synth" crowd, even though it will probably be within your range of affordability. (Maybe I should rethink that part. Since this is intended as high-end, maybe a high-end price would actually help manage expectations...)

OK, I gotta get back to cutting out keys or this whole thread will be moot. ;) Carry on though! You all get to have an opinion, and nobody's right or wrong. Its all purely subjective. I AM taking much of this advice to heart, and yes, some of it I'm just ignoring cuz it's just not where I'm coming from. Gotta do what I do, and this is it.

So funny that people would take offense just because I'm building something they say they don't want. Go figure...

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jplanet... Consider using the ALT field in your IMG tags on your web pages. You'll have happier clients.

Oh and your example you mentioned, is EXACTLY what I don't want. And I've got 17 years of professional GUI-ing, graphics for film and video, special effects, game development, and more web dev than I care to admit. It's actually DSP that I don't know anything about (though I do, I just haven't bothered to DO anything about it till now, music was always too precious to me to do for some other boss. I've been saving that particular media application, my first love, for me.)
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Hi,
AdmiralQuality wrote:I'm on a 17" screen. Size DOES NOT matter. Resolution (and monitor dot pitch) does. (And 1024, on ANY size screen, IS low resolution! We used to call that SVGA in 1993. Moore's Law, where are you when I need you?)
This so-called "resolution" is a relative measure. To make it a relevant one with regard to readability you of course have to relate that "resolution" to some abolutes numbers. This is because the eyes' resolution is physically limited. To follow your logic a display of any size would be best suited as long as it can do XXXX x YYYY.
I've checked all your PNGs here. Sure, the GUI looks cute but for me the labels are simply not readable enough *. Simple as that.

But good luck to you, anyhow.


cheers,
LiteOn

*: what wouldn't keep me from actual listen to that baby

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All this talk of GUI is fascinating, I'm sure, but when do we get to hear some audio clips?

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AdmiralQuality wrote:
Here's a difference: One is *yet another implementation*, made out of a 3rd party product (SynthEdit) that we've all very familair with by now. And the other is a *completely unique new product*, developed in C++. It's just not targeted to the "free-synth" crowd, even though it will probably be within your range of affordability. (Maybe I should rethink that part. Since this is intended as high-end, maybe a high-end price would actually help manage expectations...)


Image


...slowly the potential customers turn their backs and walk away.....

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AdmiralQuality wrote:And I've got 17 years of professional GUI-ing, graphics for film and video, special effects, game development, and more web dev than I care to admit.
Oh, so how come you eneded up with that GUI then?

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AdmiralQuality wrote:jplanet... Consider using the ALT field in your IMG tags on your web pages. You'll have happier clients.
This wouldn't help her...the problem is large paragraphs are image-text. The alt tag would contain literally hundred of words!

I recently got into the habit of using alt tags on navigation images, admittedly, I ignored them for a long time!
AdmiralQuality wrote: Oh and your example you mentioned, is EXACTLY what I don't want. And I've got 17 years of professional GUI-ing, graphics for film and video, special effects, game development, and more web dev than I care to admit. It's actually DSP that I don't know anything about (though I do, I just haven't bothered to DO anything about it till now, music was always too precious to me to do for some other boss. I've been saving that particular media application, my first love, for me.)
Do not misunderstand me, the design is BEAUTIFUL, and is obviously the work of someone with extensive design experience. It's just the usability factor.

You would not have to completely redesign it to resolve these issues. You could keep the whole look, and with a little imagination, perhaps with something like tool-tips (hey, here comes the alt-tag concept right back atcha!), maybe something like the way Minimoog V shows parameter and values while turning a knob, you could keep your design, AND make the product more useable at the same time!

So, why not show the parameter name on mouse-over, and show the parameter and value on mouse-down?

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It is nice looking I guess, especially the blue skinned version - I personally rate ergonomics highly though.
It's been seen before that there's a air split here (& elsewhere I guess) when it comes to vsti design.
I personally prefer say, fabfilter twin - easy to navigate, or surge (fairly innovative) although I own neither, filterscape va is another that packs a whole load of functionality into it's interface.
But even taking into account different views on actual gui style I personally am of the opinion that this one is not friendly from an ergonomic perspective.
Guess we'll have to wait & see.

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We're in agreement then jp cuz, as I thought I mentioned several times here already, it WILL have a live text parametric read-out (Have you tried SCAMP? Same deal.) I could do it overlay style too (where it floats following the mouse pointer) but I don't like that much. Still, we're talking a day's work, that I can do ANY time... AFTER I'm done. So... I hear ya man!!! Don't worry. The only things I'm really married to is the overall size, perspective, layout (though there WILL be changes... always are), and the rooster-heads.

And, it will also (probably) have a choice of another kind of selector for those who don't like the dials. Like I said, if once released I get 100s of emails telling me "I'd buy this synth right now if not for the stupid knobs" then I'll happily spend a day or two changing them. But for now, I'm building the knobs *I* want, cuz, for the next few weeks anyway, I'm the only user. (And I think there are others like me, and in fact my inbox is full of encouraging words from those people. For some reason praise comes in PMs and emails, and complaints in public on the board. But if you could see the real ratio, it's not as discouraging as this thread might lead you to believe.)

Anyway, not trying to be a bitch. But it's a baby/bathwater thing and if someone is THAT against the baby, why would I pander to their expectations? They'll never buy it anyway. I'm trying to offer a little bit of change here, provide some new and hopefully exciting OPTIONS, not make more of the same-old stuff. Really, what's the point of doing what everyone else does? Certainly hard to do anything BETTER if you take that approach.

:)

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Really, what's the point of doing what everyone else does? Certainly hard to do anything BETTER if you take that approach.
I hear you, that's a cool attitude and more people should follow!

...just make the GUI smaller and readjust the gamma of your monitor ;-)

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AdmiralQuality wrote:We're in agreement then jp cuz, as I thought I mentioned several times here already, it WILL have a live text parametric read-out (Have you tried SCAMP? Same deal.) I could do it overlay style too (where it floats following the mouse pointer) but I don't like that much. Still, we're talking a day's work, that I can do ANY time... AFTER I'm done. So... I hear ya man!!! Don't worry. The only things I'm really married to is the overall size, perspective, layout (though there WILL be changes... always are), and the rooster-heads.

And, it will also (probably) have a choice of another kind of selector for those who don't like the dials. Like I said, if once released I get 100s of emails telling me "I'd buy this synth right now if not for the stupid knobs" then I'll happily spend a day or two changing them. But for now, I'm building the knobs *I* want, cuz, for the next few weeks anyway, I'm the only user. (And I think there are others like me, and in fact my inbox is full of encouraging words from those people. For some reason praise comes in PMs and emails, and complaints in public on the board. But if you could see the real ratio, it's not as discouraging as this thread might lead you to believe.)

Anyway, not trying to be a bitch. But it's a baby/bathwater thing and if someone is THAT against the baby, why would I pander to their expectations? They'll never buy it anyway. I'm trying to offer a little bit of change here, provide some new and hopefully exciting OPTIONS, not make more of the same-old stuff. Really, what's the point of doing what everyone else does? Certainly hard to do anything BETTER if you take that approach.

:)
Cool! This sounds more promising and flexible than what I had read before. Bring it on!

Meanwhile, it sounds like you really need an experienced developer with a 1024X768 res to be a beta tester in exchange for a NFR license!

LOL...just kidding....





....or am I?

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