Whats wrong with the current vocoder? Other than being mono I think it is perfect.tony tony chopper wrote:soon in a pack along with other Image-Line plugins (including the long-awaited vocoder)
How Are You Using LiveSlice/ or FL-Studio Slicer sampler
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
It also looks simular to all slicers...Kriminal wrote:looks similar to Orions slicer
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tony tony chopper tony tony chopper https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3103
- KVRAF
- 3561 posts since 20 Jun, 2002
it's just that the vocoder was asked for as a VSTi version (that only exists as the CM vocoder right now)
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
oh im sorry, fanboy is in the houseThe Chase wrote:It also looks simular to all slicers...Kriminal wrote:looks similar to Orions slicer
it looks and sounds like all slicers....
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1972 posts since 18 Apr, 2004
how soon is 'soon' for this fruity slicer vsti?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1972 posts since 18 Apr, 2004
yeah all slicers look alike for the most part, but they sure all don't work alike
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- KVRAF
- 10597 posts since 13 Jun, 2004 from Alberto Balsam
Yea it's my fanboyism - not that most slicers look nearly the same, and way to call me a fanboy in a response to you pointing out it looks like Orion's slicer, ironic oneKriminal wrote:oh im sorry, fanboy is in the houseThe Chase wrote:It also looks simular to all slicers...Kriminal wrote:looks similar to Orions slicer
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- KVRer
- 24 posts since 24 Feb, 2006
@stalebread
I've watched your posts in the last few weeks in this thread and your other thread on 'samplists unite' or something like that, and I have to say I've been in the same boat. I own FL but can't stand that slicer. I thought one of the beatcreator/beatquantizer products might do it for me, but, alas, they are soooo damn fiddly and poorly organized (imo, of course) that they absolutely kill workflow.
Guru on the other hand is great, and I use it a lot. It's grid sequencer is absolutely fantastic and the graph system is so intuitive it's sick. Well, laid out, decent included hits, patterns, and kits, as well (2GB or so). The downside is that you don't have hands on control of the slices. In addition, while it is very handy to send a loop to GURU, have it auto-slice loop, analyze the slices for frequency, use that data to auto-map the slices to four pads each of Kick, Snare, Hats, and Perc, and then auto sequence your loop in the grid, there is a great deal of material for which it simply isn't efficient. In essence, the price you pay for convenience is that you have less control over the process than you might like.
So I checked out Devine Machine, since they coded GURU for FXpansion. MUCH better than the Image Line products imo, but still rather fiddly. I definitely think they got it the closest to being right with GURU. If GURU borrowed the ability to see and tune the loop slices and then manually assign them to Kick, Snare, Hats, Perc, the way DM does, as well as offering drag and drop of slices to your host, I'd probably spend all my beat time in GURU.
Since they haven't yet, I also checked out LiveSlice. It's a fantastic piece of software, but I don't think it has drag-and-drop of slices to host, and I'm not that into randomizing features on loop-slicing machines. I dunno, it just didn't give me the sample, slice and go workflow I wanted.
Finally, I went and checked out Microdicer.
Let me tell you that was the best $40 or so I've ever spent. It had everything I wanted in a quick, yet accurate beat-slicer: Excellent zoom and waveform display. Extremely easy manual slice tuning and editing, DRAG & DROP SLICES TO HOST, REX and REX2 support, etc. etc. The bottom line is that it's essentially Recycle 1.0 (no FX) in VSTi form. In literally no time at all, I've got my loop imported, sliced, tuned, and mapped. From there I use a Trigger Finger to play the slices.
I use it mostly in Live and Samp. In Samp, I do A LOT of dragging and dropping of sliced beats to the host, where I take advantage of Samp's object-oriented design, which, unlike most hosts, let's you apply FX and envelopes to each object, even in the same track. Samp also has unparalleled audio editing capabilities, so rather than doing everything by MIDI, I tend to work a lot with actual pieces of audio, which is a lot of fun. And because Microdicer is easy on CPU it's trivial to have many open at once for stacking hits. Of course you can always export or drag and drop the associated MIDI file for your tuned loop in order to apply timing features of the loop to other kits, lines, etc.
Is it perfect? No. But what it lacks in mangling, randomizing, built-in sounds and fancy processing it more than makes up for with an elegance of workflow that allows me to just get on with it instead of fiddling about endlessly.
Microdicer hasn't replaced GURU, but imo GURU is like a really high quality, all-in-one printer, whereas Microdicer is like a beautiful fountain pen. The first can do things that aren't even considerations with the second. But often the most inspired writing comes from the simplest tools. Anyhow, Microdicer is worth giving a shot if you haven't already.
I've watched your posts in the last few weeks in this thread and your other thread on 'samplists unite' or something like that, and I have to say I've been in the same boat. I own FL but can't stand that slicer. I thought one of the beatcreator/beatquantizer products might do it for me, but, alas, they are soooo damn fiddly and poorly organized (imo, of course) that they absolutely kill workflow.
Guru on the other hand is great, and I use it a lot. It's grid sequencer is absolutely fantastic and the graph system is so intuitive it's sick. Well, laid out, decent included hits, patterns, and kits, as well (2GB or so). The downside is that you don't have hands on control of the slices. In addition, while it is very handy to send a loop to GURU, have it auto-slice loop, analyze the slices for frequency, use that data to auto-map the slices to four pads each of Kick, Snare, Hats, and Perc, and then auto sequence your loop in the grid, there is a great deal of material for which it simply isn't efficient. In essence, the price you pay for convenience is that you have less control over the process than you might like.
So I checked out Devine Machine, since they coded GURU for FXpansion. MUCH better than the Image Line products imo, but still rather fiddly. I definitely think they got it the closest to being right with GURU. If GURU borrowed the ability to see and tune the loop slices and then manually assign them to Kick, Snare, Hats, Perc, the way DM does, as well as offering drag and drop of slices to your host, I'd probably spend all my beat time in GURU.
Since they haven't yet, I also checked out LiveSlice. It's a fantastic piece of software, but I don't think it has drag-and-drop of slices to host, and I'm not that into randomizing features on loop-slicing machines. I dunno, it just didn't give me the sample, slice and go workflow I wanted.
Finally, I went and checked out Microdicer.
Let me tell you that was the best $40 or so I've ever spent. It had everything I wanted in a quick, yet accurate beat-slicer: Excellent zoom and waveform display. Extremely easy manual slice tuning and editing, DRAG & DROP SLICES TO HOST, REX and REX2 support, etc. etc. The bottom line is that it's essentially Recycle 1.0 (no FX) in VSTi form. In literally no time at all, I've got my loop imported, sliced, tuned, and mapped. From there I use a Trigger Finger to play the slices.
I use it mostly in Live and Samp. In Samp, I do A LOT of dragging and dropping of sliced beats to the host, where I take advantage of Samp's object-oriented design, which, unlike most hosts, let's you apply FX and envelopes to each object, even in the same track. Samp also has unparalleled audio editing capabilities, so rather than doing everything by MIDI, I tend to work a lot with actual pieces of audio, which is a lot of fun. And because Microdicer is easy on CPU it's trivial to have many open at once for stacking hits. Of course you can always export or drag and drop the associated MIDI file for your tuned loop in order to apply timing features of the loop to other kits, lines, etc.
Is it perfect? No. But what it lacks in mangling, randomizing, built-in sounds and fancy processing it more than makes up for with an elegance of workflow that allows me to just get on with it instead of fiddling about endlessly.
Microdicer hasn't replaced GURU, but imo GURU is like a really high quality, all-in-one printer, whereas Microdicer is like a beautiful fountain pen. The first can do things that aren't even considerations with the second. But often the most inspired writing comes from the simplest tools. Anyhow, Microdicer is worth giving a shot if you haven't already.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1972 posts since 18 Apr, 2004
what a post, hey man thanks alot for that, easy to tell you know exactly where i'm coming from. I will give micro dicer a more indepth onceover, i'm committed to Liveslice and i think it's one of those that's going to get better and better, I really like the developers tone, but microdicer is not too expensive either and i'm one that feels that you can never have to many samplers and slicers, of course i wish there was that one that had all of my, yours and the likes of jones-Ys needs.....
i agree with you about Guru, it's such an inspiring piece of software, it makes you want to find a place to use it even with the shortcomings but your wallet better not have a weak stomach, I really feel at that price that Guru should be doing the job that
we've all been talking about in these slicer threads, I know they're working on it everyday though i'm just a little impatient already.
question what made you choose microdicer over Dicer?
i agree with you about Guru, it's such an inspiring piece of software, it makes you want to find a place to use it even with the shortcomings but your wallet better not have a weak stomach, I really feel at that price that Guru should be doing the job that
we've all been talking about in these slicer threads, I know they're working on it everyday though i'm just a little impatient already.
question what made you choose microdicer over Dicer?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1972 posts since 18 Apr, 2004
oh one more question, i see you're familiar with ext, have you tried the ext sampler much and how do you feel about it's abilities and workflow in this area?
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- KVRist
- 329 posts since 15 Jun, 2004
I'm adding my two cents on fl slicer since is one of the tools i use the most when making music, basically i think it's very good because you get immediate midi sequence dump to fruity's piano roll, it takes just seconds, to, for example, take out bass drum and snare hits from a drum loop and stil retain the rest of the pattern.
I also use it for re-sequencing loops i've made myself with synths, just bounce them down, free up some cpu, open them in slicer, and then i have the option of adding changes around, fills, stutter effects, and the like.
for sample based compositions in my opinion it's a very good instrument, it surely isn't perfect, but the integration in the fruity workflow is the winner for me, if i think about all the time i've spent in the past slicing samples in cool edit or in my hardware sample (aargh) only to find out they didn't really fit too well with the groove of the tune i was working on, well, i want to hurt myself : )
I also use it for re-sequencing loops i've made myself with synths, just bounce them down, free up some cpu, open them in slicer, and then i have the option of adding changes around, fills, stutter effects, and the like.
for sample based compositions in my opinion it's a very good instrument, it surely isn't perfect, but the integration in the fruity workflow is the winner for me, if i think about all the time i've spent in the past slicing samples in cool edit or in my hardware sample (aargh) only to find out they didn't really fit too well with the groove of the tune i was working on, well, i want to hurt myself : )
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1972 posts since 18 Apr, 2004
i'm looking forward to this fl vsti slicer thats suppose to be around the corner, if that improves Fl workflow it'll be rediculous, especialy for that price
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1972 posts since 18 Apr, 2004
only thing i'm hoping is that it is not just like adding another slicer to fruity, or what's the point unless it has some innovative features, so hopefully it integrates in a way not possible with already on the market slicers.
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- KVRer
- 24 posts since 24 Feb, 2006
The interface. Single window with advanced button for choke groups, mapping details. But basically, I'm working in a one-panel app that has no extraneous features. GURU's engines are great for filters and effects, so I don't need the additional stuff that dicer offers.stale bread wrote:question what made you choose microdicer over Dicer?
Also, dicer only has 48 max slices. Microdicer has at least 128, IIRC. Dicer also doesn't have drag-n-drop slices. You can only dnd the midi timing files. DND was THE key feature I wanted in a barebones VST slicing utility.
As far as the XT sampler, it's amazing, considering it's just one module in an inexpensive host program that kills much of the competition. Paired with Samp, I'm having a rennaissance of inspiration after ditching SX2.
That said, I'm still an XT newb (as well as Samp). Both programs are incredibly deep, particularly XT, and I'm wary of giving much comment on XT workflow, since I mostly use it as a supplement to Samp atm. The automation/routing possibilities for MIDI in XT are so insane that it makes me dizzy sometimes.
With XT2 on the near horizon, I consider XT to be a no-brainer purchase as well. There are plenty of folk who use it for ABSOLUTELY everything.
Sorry couldn't be of more help.
Oh yeah, BTW, I too hope that the new FL tool Tony showed the screen for is a winner. My concern is that it is really designed as a mini audio editor for FL. I have a hard time imagining they'd tread on the exclusive functionality of the products they offer via the BeatCreator/Quanitzer folks. Just speculation of course.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1972 posts since 18 Apr, 2004
sure a monkey could do it, but what about the rest of us....
thanks man
thanks man