Scamp sounds sweet but it's a bit cpu hungry.

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WOW! What an improvement changing the ini file! Running my dothan at full speed (1.8ghz), I am at 13 scamps in HI quality mode, stably, adding another will make the system overload.

What ini file did you change? Just curious. I need to optimize my PC.

Not a "PC optimization", we're just talking about the .ini files for SCAMP and NaiveLPF. If you're not using SCAMP or Naive for more than stereo processing you might as well change NUMCHANNELS 6 to NUMCHANNELS 2 in their .ini file.

S'all.

Frank, this file will be next to the scamp dll in your vst plugins folder. if you need any more help just ask.

thanks for the help!

[sluggo]

ttoz, have you also tried Volcano and Frantic filter? What did you think of them? I love the 2d handle for cutoff/resonance on the volcano gui.

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volcano is fanatastic but I'm not prepared to spend that time right now, but I thought frantic was just nothing special at all and I couldn't understand all the hype. I spent quite some time with it last night.

BUT, the problem again i sthat Tone2 filterbank sounds as gooad as volcano IMO...so tone 2 is the one I am going to get. The sweeping in scam is oh so sweet and I am still tempted, now with the rpmise of some optimizations...alos, I have to try the channel thing and make sure i wasn't using all six channels!

Having now demo'd scamp, filterbank and volcano again... I don't see Volcano being any better sounding than the other two. I still like the 2d handle thing for control on the Volcano gui. Volcano also appears to be the only one that accepts midi trigger + envelope, which I think may be quite handy.

I'm quite tempted to get one or two of these, most likely scamp & filterbank. However, it would be a shame to spend $100 on filters without getting the midi trigger aspect. At least, that's what I think. I haven't actually used this feature (I don't have a filter plug-in that has it!) yet, but you gotta think it would be usefull.

s.

[jmh]

could you tell me what? I have just demoed about 20 filters, and especially in the low pass, scamp sounds better than all of them. It has that true sweet resonance whilst doing a standard cutoff sweep and vice versa (i.e. to filter out a loop or one in, for ex), and I cannot find one other filter, besides perhaps volcano, and the tone 2 one, to come close.

I have decided to purchase scamp regardless, as I feel it is a high quality sound. But I would be interested to know about these other filters you are saying sound "better".

I guess it's a taste issue. I've never been into these 'basic' 'Moog' style filters that don't have any kind of specific character. Same with my preferences in synths, be it software or hardware. Of the few Moogs I've had over the years, Prodigy stayed with me the longest time. Mini was passed on after just 5 days, but that's because I got six times the amount of cash I spent on it, as much for simply not finding it that special to begin with.

My reaction to Scamp was "after all the marketing speak... this is it?". Which became my opinion after putting it through the usual tests, filtering fad pads, drums, vocals, "303" style basses, a few selected noise samples etc.

Fabfilter plugins definitely do it for me in the software realm. They're not suitable for every occasion and I wouldn't call them usable for every need, because of the strong characteristics they have. Here's hoping that the future products and versions of existing ones get more filter types.

Frantic is rather nice too, thanks to Antti's skills. (Still don't get the fuzz about Taurus though Same with the real item, got one back in the day and promptly sold it onwards the next day as with all the limitations it was of no real use to me...)

One thing I oughta add is that I've pretty much stopped testing filter plugins with extreme settings such as full on resonance and either really low or really high cutoff. While it's a good way to check out whether the developer has paid some effort making it sure nothing funky happens (the sound exploding at low cutoff or extreme aliasing at high cutoff being the usual culprits), those are situations the plugins wouldn't face in my use... still hoping though that developers paid more attention to this, especially on instruments - if one can't sweep cutoff to either end without unexpected side effects, urgghh.

I also don't pay that much attention to the overall feature set, as for my needs pretty much everything can be accomplished with automation. Although I certainly don't shy away from plugins that have good envelope followers, flexible LFOs and such.

I guess that after posting this, it's time to finally check out that Tone2 FilterBank 2.

JMH

[.jon]

could you tell me what? I have just demoed about 20 filters, and especially in the low pass, scamp sounds better than all of them. It has that true sweet resonance whilst doing a standard cutoff sweep and vice versa (i.e. to filter out a loop or one in, for ex), and I cannot find one other filter, besides perhaps volcano, and the tone 2 one, to come close.

This is what struck me when Naive first came out, the resonance is simply beautiful, and it does not break the sound in the low end. This filter can be played like real analog filters, and has character which is very nice thing to have in a filter plugin. I don't mind the CPU hit at all.

It would be cool if it started up with a basic setting instead of this rave thing. "Vertical knob behaviour" and some key modifier for precision tuning would also improve the usability.

I demoed the Tone2 Filterbank and was not very impressed. The cool thing about it is the stereo separation, quite easy to add life into sounds, but the classic lp filter sound itself is just too basic for me, although there are lots of options.

[AdmiralQuality]

Having now demo'd scamp, filterbank and volcano again... I don't see Volcano being any better sounding than the other two. I still like the 2d handle thing for control on the Volcano gui. Volcano also appears to be the only one that accepts midi trigger + envelope, which I think may be quite handy.

I'm quite tempted to get one or two of these, most likely scamp & filterbank. However, it would be a shame to spend $100 on filters without getting the midi trigger aspect. At least, that's what I think. I haven't actually used this feature (I don't have a filter plug-in that has it!) yet, but you gotta think it would be usefull.

s.

There's no such thing as MIDI envelope. Note trigger that activates a built in ADSR (or other) envelope, sure. But there are no MIDI envelopes. MIDI CC (control change) absolutely! SCAMP is completely MIDI controllable, any paramater with any CC numbers, and even pitch bend or pressure!

If you want filters driven by the keyboard, tracking pitch and/or triggering envelopes from the keyboard gate, then you might want to wait for Poly-Ana. Poly's a synthesizer, but will come with an effect version as well. It'll do all of those things.

Can't add much to the sound debate. Obviously I like it. But this stuff is all very subjective. You either get it or you don't. I'm just glad to report that many DO.

[AdmiralQuality]

It would be cool if it started up with a basic setting instead of this rave thing. "Vertical knob behaviour" and some key modifier for precision tuning would also improve the usability.

What host are you using .jon? Does it not offer circular knob control? I was also under the impression that pressing SHIFT while in linear knob control mode would usually give you a finer degree of control. That not work in your host?

Ah, I just switched SX3 to linear knob mode and I see now that there doesn't seem to be a fine modifier key. I will look into adding one in future versions. Could have sworn there was a fine mode... I guess this is yet another reason I never use linear.

Glad to hear you like the sound. Thanks!

[EDIT: Oh wait a sec, SHIFT does make it finer, but only by about 2X. Still not fine enough but better. Make sure you press SHIFT before clicking on the control. CTRL-click is used to center the knob. And ALT-click will swap control modes from linear to circular. In SX anyway. [EDIT EDIT: Nope! Fine mode works whenever you press SHIFT, it's just not very fine so I wasn't noticing. I'll look into tweaking this in the next revs. Thanks for pointing it out!]]

[pw]

some more info! Putting a "silent" bit of audio in front of the bit you want to render, is a "workaround" and stops the popping.

But more importantly, if the rendering is done at realtime rather than "offline", then the problem disappears. So it seems simply, that scamp does not like to be rendered at faster than realtime speeds.

ttoz, I am more inclined to believe this is a tracktion problem than a SCAMP one- I have had unusual rendering problems, even fairly recently with tracktion and *some* plug-ins (Mr. Ray comes to mind). You can probably search on rendering in the tracktion forum and come up with all sorts of goodies.

[bleebsen]

SCAMP renders absolutely fine over here. SX3 that is.

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well unfortuantely this has started to behave oddly in Live 5. it would just give me a "this is not a valid vst plugin" then i loaded it in tracktion and still have 2 days on my demo period and it worked fine. Now it is working In Live again, but it is hit and miss....

"Started to"? It worked for a while then got bad? That's odd.

And no, it shouldn't be anything about your demo period expiring. Even when the trial has expired the plug-in still loads and shows it's GUI. The "this is not a valid vst plugin" isn't my dialog, must be from your host.

Not sure what would cause it to work one day and not on another. Is this the only plugin you're having trouble with in Live? Maybe you just had a sick session and it's fine now after a reboot?

Possibly rescan your plugins? Have you set NUMCHANNELS 2 in the .ini file?

Sorry to hear about this but I'm sure it's just some thing with your host. Maybe we can figure it out before your trial expires.