KVR Audio

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Wed May 03, 2006 1:15 am

first of all, mixing is a realm of music i know little about. i'm not sure how to communicate about it. here goes...

i was listening to some dance tunes from the auditorium. the frequencies are even in the mix like in a rock song. i had to set the eq like this to listen

this is how i mix my dance music. i think my ears are fine, but it's my taste that differs. is there a way to increase the volume in my tunes AND keep the same frequency spread (?) without distorting the bass. the bass is right on the verge of distortion yet the other frequencies barely register. it sounds great when i crank it, but it's softer than the other tunes i heard

edit: http://the-auditorium.net/viewtopic.php?p=34250#34250

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Wed May 03, 2006 1:31 am

We're talking such massive variables here with frequency slotting and dynamic placements, that it's nearly impossible to say anything without hearing your mixes.

dance music... and rock as well! Let's narrow down the search a bit, shall we?

examples please.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Wed May 03, 2006 1:35 am

i'm havin some trouble uploading to the auditorium since speed's been tweakin the dials. he recently put a 20 mb limit on uploads. i found this out after a long dial-up upload. i've got tons of posts and several tunes. i've got to weed through all my posts and find my tunes and delete them.

stash98 · Post by **stash98** » Wed May 03, 2006 1:39 am

uhmm..i question your ears.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Wed May 03, 2006 1:46 am

ok, the auditorium automatically got rid of everything but 20 mb from way back. this is easier than i thought it would be. i'll have the song up after a long upload

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Wed May 03, 2006 1:50 am

the auditorium wrote:User Attachment Control Panel

how long has that been there?

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Wed May 03, 2006 3:40 am

sorry about the 5.46mb file. it's kinda big just for an example

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Wed May 03, 2006 3:46 am

Mix it flat and let people do their own "to taste" EQing.

I don't think people will want to jump up and re-EQ their system everytime a different producers song comes on.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Wed May 03, 2006 3:53 am

P.T. wrote:Mix it flat and let people do their own "to taste" EQing.

I don't think people will want to jump up and re-EQ their system everytime a different producers song comes on.

i get ya. i just think it sounds better with the big bass and i'd like ppl to listen to it that way. however, if they don't like it that way, the tune won't get another listen. aaaarrrrrgggg

aetmos · Post by **aetmos** » Wed May 03, 2006 4:00 am

i get ya. i just think it sounds better with the big bass and i'd like ppl to listen to it that way. however, if they don't like it that way, the tune won't get another listen. aaaarrrrrgggg

Yeah, but how good are your speakers? If you're mixing on a pair of 2" computer speakers with almost no bass response, and you crank the bass up like that, it's going to sound absolutely horrible on my system, with the 2-foot tall subwoofer. I'd say it's a really terrible idea to mix everything like this:

the bass is right on the verge of distortion yet the other frequencies barely register. it sounds great when i crank it, but it's softer than the other tunes i heard

Yeah, that's because you have the bass way to high. Also, 'loudness' is more a function of average amplitude, rather than peak amplitude, so running it through a compressor (hey, try mine!) will help raise the overall level of the mix.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Wed May 03, 2006 4:14 am

my speakers aren't too bad. i used to have some mega speakers. i would crank the bass until the coil jumpped off the magnet. seriously, the woofers were facinating to watch. i'd have no mids and a little high for sparkle.

in my car i have the bass al the way up and very little trebble. i like to feel the music. i'm pretty sensitive to sounds (i just wanna tell mids to stfu ), but i like the vibrations on the rest of my body. isn't that what dance music is about?

aetmos · Post by **aetmos** » Wed May 03, 2006 4:20 am

isn't that what dance music is about?

I guess, but still you should have a listen to other producers whom you admire, and try to get the levels to be around the same place as they have them. A mix should be relatively neutral, that way the listener can adjust things however they please, and it will sound good in the largest number of places.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Wed May 03, 2006 4:29 am

thanx

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Wed May 03, 2006 4:53 am

androidlove wrote:my speakers aren't too bad. i used to have some mega speakers. i would crank the bass until the coil jumpped off the magnet. seriously, the woofers were facinating to watch.

This is an indicator you either have too much ultra lows (high pass everything at 50Hz or higher), unstable bass instruments (stick to square & sine waves), too many instruments with low end (high pass everything but bass at around 200Hz or higher), a DC offset problem (batch process your files & get a new soundcard), or any combination of the above. A well mixed track will sound huge but you won't see the cones bounce.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Wed May 03, 2006 4:53 am

ok, i evened it out with gmulti. i should probably even it out with the mixer though. anyway, it sounds awful to my ears having the bass sitting in the mix

i'll post a new version after i sleep some and work some (stupid ass work thingy)

how to keep the ratio of bass? example up