What's your main DAW ?

[jens]

Hi jens,
i dont know if SX can do it, but Sonar 4 can certainly do all of the above you just mentioned. It even has advanced ghosting options. I'm happy that Energy-XT has the same features. I rarely use ghosting, but i certainly use clip mutes.

Sonar doesn't have clip-based automation (Project5 has) and there's no dedicated multi-channel audio-track editor.

[keyman_sam]

You critic is valid of course (I reported it ages ago) but it's far from making it terribly difficult to work with odd time-signatures.

(3/4, 5/4, 6/4, 7/4, 7/8, 9/8, 9/16, 10/16, 11/16, 13/16, 15/16 - yadda yadda yadda - I use them all regualarly in eXT )

Its okay for YOU, my friend. Not so okay for others.

Think about it. Your host tells you that you're in 50:04:03 when actually you might be in 62:01:01. Its pretty confusing.

Ofcourse anyone can count. I can count, and so can you. Its not a big deal to count odd time-signatures in your head. But it is a big deal for me to not see where i actually am in the timeline. Good thing jorden noted it. NOw i just cant wait for Ext 2. If not for anything else, i'd get it for just this feature alone.

[keyman_sam]

Hi jens,
i dont know if SX can do it, but Sonar 4 can certainly do all of the above you just mentioned. It even has advanced ghosting options. I'm happy that Energy-XT has the same features. I rarely use ghosting, but i certainly use clip mutes.

Sonar doesn't have clip-based automation (Project5 has) and there's no dedicated multi-channel audio-track editor.

If you want to do comping etc, sonar can certainly do it. You can have multiple clips within a track, and if you want multiple tracks, you can put them all in a folder, with different output configurations, just like in Ext.

I agree that it doesnt have clip based automation though.

[jens]

If you want to do comping etc, sonar can certainly do it. You can have multiple clips within a track, and if you want multiple tracks, you can put them all in a folder, with different output configurations, just like in Ext.

I know Sonar just about as good as I know eXT


eXT's dedicated editor allows much more flexible and comfortable comping...

- at least in theory that is - there are some pretty hefty bugs/crazy implementations in eXT - far worse than the cute time-signature bug you mentioned - I really hope they are fixed in XT2 - and yes - of course I'm glad if that time-signature annoyance gets fixed - but please only after Jorgen makes the marker tracks fully usable and after... - I better oughta stop now!

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[jens]

that's hardly the same as automation-clips...

[headquest]

No, no, no! This is plain wrong and very misleading. Perhaps you are thinking of previous versions of Sonar?

In Sonar 5 you can have individual clip envelopes on any audio or MIDI clip, including VST/DX automation. If you are confused, read page 447 of the Sonar 5 manual.

Not only that - every clip now has its own independant effects bin, seperate to the track effects bin. To access a clip's own effects bin, simply right click over it and choose from the dropdown menu.

By the way, suggesting that eXT can compete at this stage with a mature host like Sonar is premature. At best it shows that different users have different needs. For my part, because I use Reason as my main instrument rack, eXT will remain useless until it has Rewire host support. The ability to timestretch audio clips to fit the project tempo and a decent mixer console will also help eXT move beyond the underground fringe.

[.jon]

Anyway...whoever wrote those words I quoted...thankyou. You've actually given me a good reason to look into eXT and possibly use it well. Whereas I've read 2 years worth of blather about it from fanboys who didn't actually make any sense about why it's good. All I ever got the impression it was, was a fancy analogue-esque sequencer type thingy. No use being a fanboy, unless you're literate. I'm just piised off that nobody seems to have articulated why I might have missed out on this thing .

Why couldn't you all have just said why it's good, instead of trying to promote the stuff that other hosts do?

Because everybody else knows that it's a modular system.

It's written everywhere, one just have to read it. No use being a critic unless you're literate

[jens]

No, no, no! This is plain wrong and very misleading. Perhaps you are thinking of previous versions of Sonar?

yes, not only thinking but also talking (S4)

[headquest]

yes, not only thinking but also talking (S4)

That explains it then (but what about the other guy?). If you are used to Sonar 4 and your reservations are based on that programme I would recommend that Sonar 5 is seriously worth looking at. The changes to the core programme accounted for most of the problems that made me reject Sonar 4 when I demoed it. It is basically a major step forward in terms of workflow, although its best improvements were somewhat overshadowed in some people's minds by the inclusion of the fantastic new plugins V-Vocal and Perfect Space.

In particular Sonar now has better ease of use and workflow similar to Tracktion because of:
* The Inline MIDI editing within the main Track View (arrangement timeline) and
* The "Tabbed" approach which allows everything to now be viewed within just one Window.

Also though, Samplitude's object based orientation has become a reality for Sonar users by the inclusion of the Clip Based effects bins and automation, which is what I needed to clarify in the debate going on here.

Coming at the time from Tracktion and wanting to find a better linear-type host, I checked out these enhancements and personally felt that Sonar now offers a flexibility that none of the the other "Big" hosts offer. You can use it traditionally (as per Cubase or Sonar 4), within one window (like Tracktion) or with an object based approach (like Samplitude).

Of course what you can't yet do is create a modular set up within Sonar except by using Bidule or eXT within it...

Cheers.

[fandango]

I have to admit, I do find Sonar 5's in-line piano roll a bit fiddly. Especially when scrolling through octaves, it's like "wooooaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhHHHH-fast". One area in which they could learn from energyXT imo. It's pretty much the same, but by just holding the right mouse button down in the in-line view you can pan around easily. Works really well.

[D-Fusion]

yes, not only thinking but also talking (S4)

That explains it then (but what about the other guy?). If you are used to Sonar 4 and your reservations are based on that programme I would recommend that Sonar 5 is seriously worth looking at. The changes to the core programme accounted for most of the problems that made me reject Sonar 4 when I demoed it. It is basically a major step forward in terms of workflow, although its best improvements were somewhat overshadowed in some people's minds by the inclusion of the fantastic new plugins V-Vocal and Perfect Space.

In particular Sonar now has better ease of use and workflow similar to Tracktion because of:
* The Inline MIDI editing within the main Track View (arrangement timeline) and
* The "Tabbed" approach which allows everything to now be viewed within just one Window.

Also though, Samplitude's object based orientation has become a reality for Sonar users by the inclusion of the Clip Based effects bins and automation, which is what I needed to clarify in the debate going on here.

Coming at the time from Tracktion and wanting to find a better linear-type host, I checked out these enhancements and personally felt that Sonar now offers a flexibility that none of the the other "Big" hosts offer. You can use it traditionally (as per Cubase or Sonar 4), within one window (like Tracktion) or with an object based approach (like Samplitude).

Of course what you can't yet do is create a modular set up within Sonar except by using Bidule or eXT within it...

Cheers.

That is why i am using ext inside sonar homestudio 4
I also loved the new turn cakewalk took regarding workflow, i find it much easier to have everything in one screen + the abillity to add remove componenets that you don't use.

And offcourse the excellent track preset saving & Loading

[pre-ghost]

Hey where the HELL is Magix in the poll?

[SonicBreeze]

Hey where the HELL is Magix in the poll?

We understood,you use MAGIX!!! No need to shout.

[brambos]

Hey where the HELL is Magix in the poll?

Next to the fish.. just follow the smell..