i dont think bmanic should post the results... ever.
#edit: woops too late.
Limiter Shootout
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- KVRian
- 943 posts since 15 Mar, 2005
the most interesting thing i find from these threads is understanding how differently everyone hears and prioritises things. can only help improve your general awareness.
i dont think bmanic should post the results... ever.
#edit: woops too late.
i dont think bmanic should post the results... ever.
#edit: woops too late.
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- KVRist
- 478 posts since 14 Jan, 2003 from Denmark
Limiter A 28% [20]bmanic wrote: Limiter A = iZotope Ozone
Limiter B = Kjaerhus MPL-1 pro
Limiter C = Voxengo Elephant
Limiter D = TLS Pocket Limiter
Limiter B 36% [26] http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/mpl-1.php
Limiter C 23% [17]
Limiter D 11% [8]
Total Votes : 71
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 11386 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Another interesting little bit:
Both Aleksey and Torben seem to have found their own limiters among the bunch and they obviously liked their own the most.
Now how the heck do I stop the poll?? It can get distorted if it keeps going now that the results are out. Heeeelp! Moderators! Stop it!
Cheers!
bManic
Both Aleksey and Torben seem to have found their own limiters among the bunch and they obviously liked their own the most.
Now how the heck do I stop the poll?? It can get distorted if it keeps going now that the results are out. Heeeelp! Moderators! Stop it!
Cheers!
bManic
"Wisdom is wisdom, regardless of the idiot who said it." -an idiot
"They don't ban hate speech; they ban speech they hate." -an oracle
"They don't ban hate speech; they ban speech they hate." -an oracle
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- KVRAF
- 5913 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
Hehe, cool The winner is: Torben with his MPL 
For me it was also not so easy to push the MPL as much as others to become a preferred loudness-level. May be I must spend more time with this baby...
The winner is: Torben with his MPL For me it was also not so easy to push the MPL as much as others to become a preferred loudness-level. May be I must spend more time with this baby...
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 31 Mar, 2005
True indeed! And to help secure the integrity of the poll, as of this post, here are the stats. Mind you, this is AFTER bmanic posted the results.bmanic wrote:Now how the heck do I stop the poll?? It can get distorted if it keeps going now that the results are out. Heeeelp! Moderators! Stop it!
Limiter A 29% [21] iZotope Ozone
Limiter B 36% [26] Kjaerhus MPL-1 pro
Limiter C 23% [17] Voxengo Elephant
Limiter D 11% [8] TLS Pocket Limiter
What does this prove? We like what we like!
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- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Funny it should turn out my favourite (C) was elephant, the one limiter whose pump I've always found useful when abused.
I have to say I suspected A was Ozone, having just heard a similar shootout at bmanic's studio on my own mix. It is most likely the transparent of the bunch, but since I'm always looking for mix enhancing pumping, it was never a favourite. The same I found on this test.
On the shootout with my own mix I preferred MPL pro.
Fun little shootout bmanic, although nothing has changed when it comes my preferences of any of the limiters. "The right tool for the job" is the only thing I can say of any of them, entirely dependant on the music being mastered.
I have to say I suspected A was Ozone, having just heard a similar shootout at bmanic's studio on my own mix. It is most likely the transparent of the bunch, but since I'm always looking for mix enhancing pumping, it was never a favourite. The same I found on this test.
On the shootout with my own mix I preferred MPL pro.
Fun little shootout bmanic, although nothing has changed when it comes my preferences of any of the limiters. "The right tool for the job" is the only thing I can say of any of them, entirely dependant on the music being mastered.
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- KVRist
- 478 posts since 14 Jan, 2003 from Denmark
You can force it if you want; just try some of the presets posted here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=1354damind wrote:Hehe, cool
For me it was also not so easy to push the MPL as much as others to become a preferred loudness-level. May be I must spend more time with this baby...
Thanks
Torben
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- KVRist
- 124 posts since 24 Oct, 2004
bmanic, which limiter for ozone did you use? not want to discuss just to know
Was it soft or brickwall or intelligent? Any other modules besides the limiter?maximizer?
I also thought that A was Ozone ( which I own but never used it this way) yesterday I was a little bit playing around with it and was quite amazed how differently it can sound (like the others maybe also - Mac user, so I have no experience with them).
Funny that I liked elephant the most - as I was looking for the openess that was left in the track.
Nevertheless I found it also interesting and get to know what people are listening to. And also I found it interesting that Torben und Aleksey both picked their products - you are good in dialing them in the way they like it
Thanks for the test. If you could comment on the settings for ozone, would be nice.
Best
Was it soft or brickwall or intelligent? Any other modules besides the limiter?maximizer?
I also thought that A was Ozone ( which I own but never used it this way) yesterday I was a little bit playing around with it and was quite amazed how differently it can sound (like the others maybe also - Mac user, so I have no experience with them).
Funny that I liked elephant the most - as I was looking for the openess that was left in the track.
Nevertheless I found it also interesting and get to know what people are listening to. And also I found it interesting that Torben und Aleksey both picked their products - you are good in dialing them in the way they like it
Thanks for the test. If you could comment on the settings for ozone, would be nice.
Best
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- KVRAF
- 6478 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
It sounds that way, yes, and knowing how highly bmanic has spoken of it in the past, I'm absolutely certain it is the intelligent mode.
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- KVRAF
- 4030 posts since 7 Sep, 2002
5% is usually considered to be a statistical error.
I'm very satisfied. In the light of this test, there is a place for enhancement in Elephant's design, but this test meant that Elephant is still pretty competitive. So, it is not lost at all. Thanks for those who voted for C.
I'm very satisfied. In the light of this test, there is a place for enhancement in Elephant's design, but this test meant that Elephant is still pretty competitive. So, it is not lost at all. Thanks for those who voted for C.
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- KVRian
- 831 posts since 7 Sep, 2004
Thank you bmanic for this test. Great fun.
I'm very surprised, that Ozone was my clear favourite. I expected A being Waves L3.
I'm very surprised, that Ozone was my clear favourite. I expected A being Waves L3.
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- KVRian
- 943 posts since 15 Mar, 2005
i think there will be far more error than that, mainly from bias.Aleksey Vaneev wrote:5% is usually considered to be a statistical error.
it would be more revealing if the test was on everyone's own music. then most likely assuming competent engineering they'd be looking to 'save' the mix maybe with slightly different priorities.
personally i find elephant is still the best limiter ive ever used, i really like the balance you have between pumping/distortion/dynamics, and it makes it work on such variety. the only improvement for me would be a clipping mode like ozones. im sure thats what any dev doesnt want to hear. but id rather use that when going 3-4db+ on drum transients than any limiter. mentle i know.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 11386 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
It was intelligent mode. Release set to 0.8, so nearly clipping. I don't find the other limiter modes of Ozone any good. No other processing was used.steffe wrote:bmanic, which limiter for ozone did you use? not want to discuss just to know
Was it soft or brickwall or intelligent? Any other modules besides the limiter?maximizer?
Cheers!
bManic
"Wisdom is wisdom, regardless of the idiot who said it." -an idiot
"They don't ban hate speech; they ban speech they hate." -an oracle
"They don't ban hate speech; they ban speech they hate." -an oracle
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- KVRAF
- 7873 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
Exactly what I was thinking, there is going to be a margin of error.Aleksey Vaneev wrote:5% is usually considered to be a statistical error.
I'm very satisfied. In the light of this test, there is a place for enhancement in Elephant's design, but this test meant that Elephant is still pretty competitive. So, it is not lost at all. Thanks for those who voted for C.