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P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Fri May 12, 2006 9:30 am

I'm really looking forward to this.

I already thought ver 1.1 was about the best amp sim.

JohnR · Post by **JohnR** » Fri May 12, 2006 11:29 am

asseca wrote:
grymmjack wrote:for kicks I simply resized the image to fit 800x600 (707x580) and this is livable for me to design around:

What do you guys think?
Looks good ... how about making the pedal-buttons not so high:
...also, instead of LEDs, light-up the button text or light-up the button itself ...

[edit - got rid of the images above]

One more vote for small pedal-buttons. I am not a guitarist, but have been post-processing real-guitar with v 1.1 and get very good results. I expect to leave the gui open whilst tweaking something else in another window. Any "wasted" screen space will annoy me!
John

Newbie Brad · Post by **Newbie Brad** » Fri May 12, 2006 12:54 pm

Can you put a switcheable view with the same graphic switcheable to a smaller scale? I like to have all info and controls visible in the window and the window small enough that I can leave other VST windows fully visible onscreen.

bergen · Post by **bergen** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:21 pm

I would vote to lose the reverb and delay effects completely. These are best done in other plugins. Hoverever a classic spring reverb would still be useful. Does the overdrive/distortion include a tubescreamer emulation?

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:15 pm

asseca wrote:Looks good ... how about making the pedal-buttons not so high:
...also, instead of LEDs, light-up the button text or light-up the button itself ...

@asseca yea the LED's aren't final it's an indication of the state of the control. The pedals will be unlike (hopefully if I can pull it off) any pedal you've ever seen in some ways (atleast to my knowledge).

@matthew: no I'm not sure 100% about resizing, I was just guessing. When I met with Joe at the bar and we discussed everything part of my intention of meeting was to find out exactly what the limits were and what I could do about them. One of the limits we discussed was related to resizing the plugin window if I recall properly and he told me it couldn't be done. That doesn't mean SE cannot do it, but perhaps that Joe can't or doesn't want to. I don't want to say more about it until we hear from him.

re: the pedal buttons not so high? I'm not sure what you guys mean? By high do you mean in vertical space? High in relation to what? The entire plugin UI or the pedal surface? This feedback is helping us all so don't be afraid to chime in. This is a product made by the people for the people and everyone has a voice.

Please clarify the "pedal button heights" comment thanks.

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:16 pm

matthewjumps wrote:yea i so want those glowing valves...im sure grymm would make some kick-ass looking valves....

Glowing tubes? Like the original? Yeah that's in the plan and will work same way - when you crank variac they will brighten up.

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:20 pm

Newbie Brad wrote:Can you put a switcheable view with the same graphic switcheable to a smaller scale? I like to have all info and controls visible in the window and the window small enough that I can leave other VST windows fully visible onscreen.

Brad, whatcha mean? Like a button to toggle between the two scaled versions? No probably not. The way the thing is designed in SE Joe was saying was very very complex and as such I'm trying not to make it too much work on him when we add the UI. I know nothing about SE besides it has lots of complexity underneath the surface so I take his word for it. As it is, the EQ modifications are going to be alot of work for him and they may not even be accepted. I think at this point it's best to just wait for word from Joe to see what he thinks/says about everything thus far. That way we don't get too far off track and none of us wastes our time or puts our foot into our mouths (me)

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:25 pm

bergen wrote:I would vote to lose the reverb and delay effects completely. These are best done in other plugins. Hoverever a classic spring reverb would still be useful. Does the overdrive/distortion include a tubescreamer emulation?

I don't think the way the signalflow is setup that external verb could do the same thing that the internal verb does, delay too, but don't quote me.

Keep in mind that his goal is an guitar amp/cab/effects simulator -- thus to remove a "staple" effect used in these kinds of rigs, you are also removing quite a bit of potential for variations. Also the idea is to make presets that everyone can share between each other, and when you start externalizing effects, while possibly better or whatever, the presets then lose quite a lot of flexibility.

*edit*: And in hindsight you can always disable intrinsic effects and use outboard ones anyway. With almost all of the CPU given back at the same time from what I understand. So really removing delay and verb would give me more room to work for the UI but that's all it would do.

I would eventually like to see FreeAMP 1.5 be released in a non-pedaled version myself, as I stated, but the guy has been busting his ass for years to get to this pinnacle of achievement and we should give him a chance to take a hiatus

Granted we all have great love and ambitions for his work and hope to see lots of things improved. I think it's too bad FrettedSynth doesn't have it's own forum here. Because we need more than 1 monolithic thread to talk about these things. Is it possible to get a forum? He deserves it. He's been working his ass off for years. Or are the developer based forums only reserved for commercial developers?

Anyway Joe will reply to all of this and set our minds straight soon hopefully

Newbie Brad · Post by **Newbie Brad** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:29 pm

grymmjack wrote:
Newbie Brad wrote:Can you put a switcheable view with the same graphic switcheable to a smaller scale? I like to have all info and controls visible in the window and the window small enough that I can leave other VST windows fully visible onscreen.
Brad, whatcha mean? Like a button to toggle between the two scaled versions? No probably not. The way the thing is designed in SE Joe was saying was very very complex and as such I'm trying not to make it too much work on him when we add the UI. I know nothing about SE besides it has lots of complexity underneath the surface so I take his word for it. As it is, the EQ modifications are going to be alot of work for him and they may not even be accepted. I think at this point it's best to just wait for word from Joe to see what he thinks/says about everything thus far. That way we don't get too far off track and none of us wastes our time or puts our foot into our mouths (me)

The real message is don't make the graphic too big please!

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:34 pm

asseca wrote: Looks good ... how about making the pedal-buttons not so high:
...also, instead of LEDs, light-up the button text or light-up the button itself ...

Oh duh I just realized what you guys meant. the actual step surfaces of the pedals. Yeah that's good idea asseca! Going to adjust my copy. Sometimes my brain doesn't work. It's before first-breakfast anyway

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:36 pm

Newbie Brad wrote:
grymmjack wrote:
Newbie Brad wrote:Can you put a switcheable view with the same graphic switcheable to a smaller scale? I like to have all info and controls visible in the window and the window small enough that I can leave other VST windows fully visible onscreen.
Brad, whatcha mean? Like a button to toggle between the two scaled versions? No probably not. The way the thing is designed in SE Joe was saying was very very complex and as such I'm trying not to make it too much work on him when we add the UI. I know nothing about SE besides it has lots of complexity underneath the surface so I take his word for it. As it is, the EQ modifications are going to be alot of work for him and they may not even be accepted. I think at this point it's best to just wait for word from Joe to see what he thinks/says about everything thus far. That way we don't get too far off track and none of us wastes our time or puts our foot into our mouths (me)
The real message is don't make the graphic too big please!

No, I for sure will try to make it as small as we all agree on. I like assecas size with those pedal steps shrunk down it's good yea? 707x550 that.

waiting man · Post by **waiting man** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:45 pm

I like the idea of grymmjack's pedals.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:12 pm

Sounds like we got a winning layout! I vote to keep the verb and delay also; it's funny, coz I would find a spring delay useless.

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Fri May 12, 2006 3:22 pm

waiting man wrote:I like the idea of grymmjack's pedals.

which idea?

Mr. Tingle · Post by **Mr. Tingle** » Fri May 12, 2006 4:35 pm

keep verb and delay in, this way you can get some instant fx presets that can inspire.

In terms of rotary knob control with the mouse, I'd like to say that i much prefer the 'click the knob and move mouse vertical up or down' to rotate the knob clockwise or anti-clockwise. The other method of ttrying to move your mouse in an arc around the pot very clumsey and inacurate.

To have the option to choose which method would of course be the best.

FreeAmpSE update 1.5 what do you want?