By the way, is there a reason you seem to not like using bandpass filters very much?
Poly-Ana: Coming soon from Admiral Quality.
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- KVRist
- 88 posts since 5 May, 2005
Nice job on the optimizations... Glad to hear my computer will be able to run it after all; I was getting worried there.
By the way, is there a reason you seem to not like using bandpass filters very much?
I was just wondering why you chose to leave them out of SCAMP and Poly-Ana (I know you could combine filters 1 & 2 as lowpass & hipass, but it kinda limits what you can do). Not that it's a necessity or anything... just curious.
By the way, is there a reason you seem to not like using bandpass filters very much?
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AdmiralQuality AdmiralQuality https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=83902
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Actually it doesn't limit what you can do, it greatly expands on what you can do as each half of your band-pass (or band-reject) can be modulated individually of the other. So they can converge, diverge, have different resonances, slopes....!!!Prajch wrote:Nice job on the optimizations... Glad to hear my computer will be able to run it after all; I was getting worried there.![]()
By the way, is there a reason you seem to not like using bandpass filters very much?I was just wondering why you chose to leave them out of SCAMP and Poly-Ana (I know you could combine filters 1 & 2 as lowpass & hipass, but it kinda limits what you can do). Not that it's a necessity or anything... just curious.
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- KVRist
- 88 posts since 5 May, 2005
I was imagining two peaks floating around the spectrum (maybe one at 400hz and one at 3000hz), but I guess you can still do a lot with those filters. So I guess it's more of a matter of choice than technical problems?AdmiralQuality wrote: Actually it doesn't limit what you can do, it greatly expands on what you can do as each half of your band-pass (or band-reject) can be modulated individually of the other. So they can converge, diverge, have different resonances, slopes....!!!
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- KVRAF
- 3528 posts since 18 Apr, 2002 from British Columbia, Canada
but they're _pass filters, s0 it wouldn't be seperate peaks. one is letting through the low fq's and the other is "" the high.
so you get one peak in the middle of the two, however wide the difference is, and however sharp on either end the respective q is.
so you get one peak in the middle of the two, however wide the difference is, and however sharp on either end the respective q is.
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- KVRist
- 88 posts since 5 May, 2005
Yeah I know what its current filters would do, I was imagining what it could do with two bandpass filters moving independently of each other, thus peaking at two distinct frequencies. But it doesn't really matter, every synth has limits.
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- KVRAF
- 3528 posts since 18 Apr, 2002 from British Columbia, Canada
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Remember they are resonant filters so it's not too hard to get peaks, but yes, you'd still have lows or highs leaking through beyond the 2 peaks. Still I think you could get something of the effect you're thinking of Prajch.
I could maybe add a BP (and BR?) mode to each filter as well as the existing LPF/HPF modes, but they'd only be 2 pole anyway, and then I need to add a control for their seperation (bandwidth) too -- or maybe the resonance control becomes that? See? It just doesn't all quite translate. Most multimode filters hard-wire some compromises in that I just don't want to make... meaning yet more knobbage. *shudder*
And I don't want to do anything that adds more filter poles. There's already 8 per voice. I think that's plenty and they're the most expensive part of the algo, processor-wise.
So rather than go with the compromises of making multimode filters, I figured just have 2 simpler LPF/HPF resonant filters, and you're free to combine them in series or parallel, invert either one, and when parallel, they each can go to their own independent stereo pan location... so they can blend and diverge in the stereo field. It's going to be pretty heavy, I think.
Still I will think about that a bit more. Or I could see it being added somewhere down the road. It's not difficult, it was more just that I had to stop *somewhere*.
Like you said about limits Prajch. Or like Steven Wright says: "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" 
I could maybe add a BP (and BR?) mode to each filter as well as the existing LPF/HPF modes, but they'd only be 2 pole anyway, and then I need to add a control for their seperation (bandwidth) too -- or maybe the resonance control becomes that? See? It just doesn't all quite translate. Most multimode filters hard-wire some compromises in that I just don't want to make... meaning yet more knobbage. *shudder*
And I don't want to do anything that adds more filter poles. There's already 8 per voice. I think that's plenty and they're the most expensive part of the algo, processor-wise.
So rather than go with the compromises of making multimode filters, I figured just have 2 simpler LPF/HPF resonant filters, and you're free to combine them in series or parallel, invert either one, and when parallel, they each can go to their own independent stereo pan location... so they can blend and diverge in the stereo field. It's going to be pretty heavy, I think.
Still I will think about that a bit more. Or I could see it being added somewhere down the road. It's not difficult, it was more just that I had to stop *somewhere*.
- KVRAF
- 1908 posts since 7 Jan, 2004 from Earth
Sorry if it's been asked before. What will the price of this little beauty be? Any idea?
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AdmiralQuality AdmiralQuality https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=83902
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Can't say yet. Very committed to keeping prices extremely competitive though. So typically, after it's done-done, we'll look at the competition, try to identify other products that are similarly capable (that's going to be hard for this girl!) and then aim for about half of their average price. (Cuz most software costs TOO MUCH!)Totolitoto wrote:Sorry if it's been asked before. What will the price of this little beauty be? Any idea?
Whatever is decided, there will be an introductory offer for a dramatic discount. Maybe as low as half whatever that price is.
Sorry but I can't mention any actual numbers yet. Don't want to disappoint if I'm forced to change my mind and, like I said, the actual decision won't be made until it's done (or at least in beta).
- KVRAF
- 1908 posts since 7 Jan, 2004 from Earth
If it sounds as sharp as it looks I'll consider buying it.
Does it sound deep in low range? (You'll tell me yes, but I had to ask
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- KVRAF
- 1908 posts since 7 Jan, 2004 from Earth
Are u betatesting?camsr wrote:Nah man, it doesn't sound deep.
It sounds shallow, like a kiddie pool, or a spoon with water collecting in it.
BING!
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- KVRAF
- 7578 posts since 17 Feb, 2005
The beta hasn't been released yet. But when I beta test it I make it sound like BOOOOOOOOOooooooooooommmmmm and WhhooSSSSSSSSSSSSSSH and ticki ticki ticki ticki and ZZZzZzzzZZZzzZZZZzzzZZZZ 
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- KVRist
- 88 posts since 5 May, 2005
To be honest, you kinda lost me when you started talking about filter poles (all I know is more = steeper).AdmiralQuality wrote:Remember they are resonant filters so it's not too hard to get peaks, but yes, you'd still have lows or highs leaking through beyond the 2 peaks. Still I think you could get something of the effect you're thinking of Prajch.
I could maybe add a BP (and BR?) mode to each filter as well as the existing LPF/HPF modes, but they'd only be 2 pole anyway, and then I need to add a control for their seperation (bandwidth) too -- or maybe the resonance control becomes that? See? It just doesn't all quite translate. Most multimode filters hard-wire some compromises in that I just don't want to make... meaning yet more knobbage. *shudder*
And I don't want to do anything that adds more filter poles. There's already 8 per voice. I think that's plenty and they're the most expensive part of the algo, processor-wise.
So rather than go with the compromises of making multimode filters, I figured just have 2 simpler LPF/HPF resonant filters, and you're free to combine them in series or parallel, invert either one, and when parallel, they each can go to their own independent stereo pan location... so they can blend and diverge in the stereo field. It's going to be pretty heavy, I think.
Still I will think about that a bit more. Or I could see it being added somewhere down the road. It's not difficult, it was more just that I had to stop *somewhere*.Like you said about limits Prajch. Or like Steven Wright says: "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?"
A couple more comments... I think the HPF(LPF) and 12db/oct(24) buttons could use a picture showing the LED on/off next to each word, because their status is kind of ambiguous right now. And is it feasible to update the GUI so that when you hover over a control, it shows the name and current value in the display bar? It'd be nice if you could see where it is before touching it.
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