Hardware vs. Software aka why do VST sucks?

[telephone]

I want a VST that emulates the original hardware DSP warmth.

So funny!!!! DSP's are having that extra depth which Processors don't have, they add all kinds of harmonics and they glow a little after a few minutes running!

[Kraku]

VSTs match professional standards (whatever they might be). Anyone stating otherwise is an

That's my not so humble opinion.

Actually vst's/software can be considered superior to hardware if you match them with hardware in their price range (and the arguement is very strong). i bought Propellerheads Reason for $300, where are you going to get hardware that truly compares to Reason for $300? Reason has several synths and samplers, a mixer, many effects and splitters, a combinator etc. I'd have to get many pieces of different hardware to match that, and if $300-$400 is my budget then the hardware will sound like childrens toys, so yes by faaaaaaaaaaaar software is superior to me.I'm not saying there is'nt a expensive hardware synth that can out do one of Reasons synths, but still Reason is more versatile,flexible and still great sounding and allows me to compete with anyone regardless of the size of their budget, so for me Reason and other software is the superior choice.If someone feels certain hardware sounds better then they should be working with it, for i only believe in using an instrument i love to play.and in the end it boils down to what each musician loves to work with whether software or hardware.

Not sure why you said all that, but just to make sure we're on the same side here:
I support software, because it's sound quality is NOT inferior to the best hardware there is.

[beej]

Your DSP card can sound better!:
http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2006/april/index5.html

[telephone]

Your DSP card can sound better!:
http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2006/april/index5.html

Wow great pictures! Maybe i have to mount some valves in my motherboard circuitry too! To add some warmth!

[The Chase]

[sounddesigner]

VSTs match professional standards (whatever they might be). Anyone stating otherwise is an

That's my not so humble opinion.

Actually vst's/software can be considered superior to hardware if you match them with hardware in their price range (and the arguement is very strong). i bought Propellerheads Reason for $300, where are you going to get hardware that truly compares to Reason for $300? Reason has several synths and samplers, a mixer, many effects and splitters, a combinator etc. I'd have to get many pieces of different hardware to match that, and if $300-$400 is my budget then the hardware will sound like childrens toys, so yes by faaaaaaaaaaaar software is superior to me.I'm not saying there is'nt a expensive hardware synth that can out do one of Reasons synths, but still Reason is more versatile,flexible and still great sounding and allows me to compete with anyone regardless of the size of their budget, so for me Reason and other software is the superior choice.If someone feels certain hardware sounds better then they should be working with it, for i only believe in using an instrument i love to play.and in the end it boils down to what each musician loves to work with whether software or hardware.

I support software, because it's sound quality is NOT inferior to the best hardware there is.

I agree, I should'nt have said that there are expensive hardware synths that may out do one of Reason's synths, the fact is i may like that hardware units sound but each are great in there own way and have their own flavor. I prefer other software synths that are not Reason at times for different tasks aswell, e.g. dimension pro for violins,horns etc because they are better at their task but this does'nt make them superior to Reason. I like Reason's sound for what it is and don't dislike it for what it is not.I love it for the tasks its suitable for.So yes i may like the sound of some hardware but this does'nt make it superior, just may make it more suitable for certain music projects, each instruments have their own personality and must be loved for what they are if the musician expects to be great at using them.The software i chose i love the sound of most of it and feel its sound is second to none.I am very proud of my software arsenal and the results they yield.As long as any musician gets the sound they want and create well with whatever tools they use no one can tell them their tools are inferior.
With me as a individual my software sound is superior because it covers the bases i want covered well, but others may disagree with the quality of my tools because this is subjective to the individual artists. but in many ways software is superior that are incontrovertable wich i was trying to write about in the last post of mines you quoted.But all in all i agree with you!

[cptgone]

I have Yamaha DSP speakers (with a blue button to activate DSP)
for that anal log warmth.

[diverdee]

Yeah those anal logs, all warm & soft, yet firm enough to hold the whole mix together so.......... organic

[aciddose]

give it up already :'(

[G-Ro124]

this thread is soooooo dumb

ben, make these type threads stop, please!

[thecontrolcentre]

[Z3R0T0N1N]

tee heeee...

li'l kitties are CUUUUUTE :):):):)

[diverdee]

[thecontrolcentre]

[Midiworks]

I often hear people talk about VST plug-ins as second grade stuff compared to plug-ins run on boards like UAD, Powercore or dedicated hardware, and I wonder why? Often people says "This VST plug-in is really good", followed by "for a VST plug-in". Other remarks could be "this plug-in is so VST", again with a reference to VST being a second grade technology.

after reading most of those 18 pages, here are my thoughts.

I am a big fan of many Korg synthesisers, and I own most of the ones I like.
There is the original Korg Legacy Collection and now also
the digital collection VSTs.
Let me tell you, that the Wavestation and the M1 are by far better
then its hardware counterparts.
No more noise, all of the sound cards ever released by Korg included,
and even resonant filters in the M1 which makes it much nicer,
than the original hardware ever was.
Some may now say, yes but those are sample based instruments,
that is easy... is it ?

Anyway, the first collection also included two analog reproductions of
Korg classics in VST format.
How do they sound ?
From what I remember, they just sound like the originals too.
(but I was never a fan of those)
At the moment you can find both collections between $149 and $199.
This is a lot of horsepower with thousands of sounds available
and many hundreds included, for not even pennies per sound.
Believe me even for todays standard, you'll find the lot of very, very cool sounds,
that you won't find anywhere else.
Before you had to dig deep into your pocket to afford all the
hardware and sound cards.

This example should make it clear to anyone that it is senseless to claim that hardware synthesiser are better then VSTi.
It always depends on the knowledge and experience of the producers of any VST product.
As VST being referenced as second-grade technology,
this is probably the fault of the enormous number of Synthedit VST's around.

So people are blaming VST and Synthedit for the bad productions,
instead of blaming the creators of those, they blame the tools that had been used to create them.

It is just like, people would start blaming a bad C++ VST on C++,
instead of blaming the coder...