Dev Competition-Now with its own forum!!
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- u-he
- 30192 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Hmmm... the VST SDK isn't open source... you simply can't open source VST plugins without breaching the license agreement... SynthEdit and SynthMaker aren't open source either. In the same way, you can't compile GPL'd code into a VST plugin, because a VST plugin can't inherit from GPL or one of both licenses would be broken.jtxx000 wrote:I say open source should be encouraged. I understand that some devs don't want to give away trade secrets but I think it'd be a great resource for other developers.
It ain't easy.
Urs
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
you dont need the vst sdk to write vst compatable plugins.
i think such a competition needs better definition, since judging "best" of such a wide variety of things is simply too subjective. what gives an entry good score should be well defined.
that is the reason music competitions generally have a theme, it makes judging much easier.
also, you might want to consider using a voting system where everyone lists every entry in order from worst to best, and points are given based upon the position, 1 point for worst, n points for best. only entrants should be allowed to vote on entries, and only a complete vote should be accepted. anyone not giving a complete vote should be disqualified, given 0 points, but kept on the final list of scores.
i think such a competition needs better definition, since judging "best" of such a wide variety of things is simply too subjective. what gives an entry good score should be well defined.
that is the reason music competitions generally have a theme, it makes judging much easier.
also, you might want to consider using a voting system where everyone lists every entry in order from worst to best, and points are given based upon the position, 1 point for worst, n points for best. only entrants should be allowed to vote on entries, and only a complete vote should be accepted. anyone not giving a complete vote should be disqualified, given 0 points, but kept on the final list of scores.
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- KVRist
- 134 posts since 5 Jan, 2006 from Norfolk, VA, USA
Why?aciddose wrote:only entrants should be allowed to vote on entries
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- DC TC
- Topic Starter
- 2518 posts since 30 May, 2004
yeah, i don't agree with aciddose "entrants only voting" system either but his post did actually triggered a thought.
how about voters vote based on something like the kvr plugin reviews?
there'd be a few categories for each plug that people can vote on, not necessarily the same as the kvr ones but something like:
1. "wow" factor
2. sound
3. stability
4. originality
and the voters would also have to write a few sentences if possible about what they thought of the plugin.
***it would be mandatory for each voter to vote on each entry. not just their favorite ones. you devs work hard. it's only fair that we vote and write a few words for each plugin that was submitted.
how about voters vote based on something like the kvr plugin reviews?
there'd be a few categories for each plug that people can vote on, not necessarily the same as the kvr ones but something like:
1. "wow" factor
2. sound
3. stability
4. originality
and the voters would also have to write a few sentences if possible about what they thought of the plugin.
***it would be mandatory for each voter to vote on each entry. not just their favorite ones. you devs work hard. it's only fair that we vote and write a few words for each plugin that was submitted.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
this system requires all entries must be tested fully and properally. only an entrant will be motivated to test all entries fully, expecting to have his or her entry tested fully by all other entrants in return. a non-entrant would not have any such motivation. being a non-entrant, i could easilly arange the entries in a vote randomly, favor or reject only a select or group of entries based upon some personal bias, or test based upon only a limited set of criteria.
with no fixed and objective criteria defined, it is not possible to use judge voting. public voting is only acceptable when corruption, susceptibility to propaganda and a fully subjective result are acceptable. (notice bush is president.)
imagine if the system of voting i discribed were used for politics? only those eligible for a position would be qualified to vote on that position. eligiblity would most likely have to be based upon qualification, which can be very point of view and highly variable depending upon the position in question. an arguement for the system i discribed could be made based upon qualification, but it depends too much upon point of view.
ties created using this system can usually be resolved by exponentiating the score from individual votes before summing them. exponentiation can change the position of all entrants, and generally it should only be applied to resolve a tie between a limited number of entrants.
the only bad part of this system is the fact there is a possiblity of a tie.
i also havent mentioned, you cannot vote on your own entry.
with no fixed and objective criteria defined, it is not possible to use judge voting. public voting is only acceptable when corruption, susceptibility to propaganda and a fully subjective result are acceptable. (notice bush is president.)
imagine if the system of voting i discribed were used for politics? only those eligible for a position would be qualified to vote on that position. eligiblity would most likely have to be based upon qualification, which can be very point of view and highly variable depending upon the position in question. an arguement for the system i discribed could be made based upon qualification, but it depends too much upon point of view.
ties created using this system can usually be resolved by exponentiating the score from individual votes before summing them. exponentiation can change the position of all entrants, and generally it should only be applied to resolve a tie between a limited number of entrants.
the only bad part of this system is the fact there is a possiblity of a tie.
i also havent mentioned, you cannot vote on your own entry.
Last edited by aciddose on Wed May 17, 2006 3:31 am, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
But that's life, Daddy-o.aciddose wrote:public voting is only acceptable when corruption, susceptibility to propaganda and a fully subjective result are acceptable.
I don't think the idea of the competition is some kind of computer camp programmer olympics. The idea is a popularity contest, like all things of this nature.
The idea is this: get a bunch of developers to rally up, make a bunch of freeware for the masses, win some cash if you get picked as their favourite.
Make something that the hoi polloi will fawn over, and they will vote for you. They comprise the majority of folk who use freeware, they are as fit to judge as anyone.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
i know, it is a popularity contest, and the only really valid voting system would be a direct public vote. however, that wouldnt ensure 'fairness' or 'correctness' (as subjective as those terms are) at all.
do you really want the most fancy gui to win?
do you really want the most fancy gui to win?
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- DC TC
- Topic Starter
- 2518 posts since 30 May, 2004
we're going to try and take some precautions to ensure maximum fairness. but, we are not robots (although i know rurik will object)... we're crap humans, and cannot be trusted. the only thing i can think of, that won't take away from the fun, is to limit voters to a joined date of no later than 3 months ago, and a post count of 50.... we have to balance it so that it's not so strict and elite.aciddose wrote:i know, it is a popularity contest, and the only really valid voting system would be a direct public vote. however, that wouldnt ensure 'fairness' or 'correctness' (as subjective as those terms are) at all.
do you really want the most fancy gui to win?
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
Doesn't it always, though?aciddose wrote:do you really want the most fancy gui to win?
I think it'll make a good plugin-using public litmus test. See what we're all made of.
And the grumps who value design quality can petition the public as much as the all-flash-propagandists. It's been my experience a steadfast grump can be fairly persuasive.
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- KVRAF
- 2029 posts since 21 Jul, 2004
I realize your concerns but dont worry. There are enough smart people on KVR for this to be fair. This contest isn't "HUGE" either, I dont think too much needs to go into the voting rules. I will be sure not to vote for "most fancy gui". Maybe there could be a sound/usability would be the main competition and then we would give a small prize to "most fancy gui".aciddose wrote:i know, it is a popularity contest, and the only really valid voting system would be a direct public vote. however, that wouldnt ensure 'fairness' or 'correctness' (as subjective as those terms are) at all.
do you really want the most fancy gui to win?
Do not lick the fablanky
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- KVRist
- 423 posts since 1 Feb, 2003 from Los Angeles, CA
