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k2500x · Post by **k2500x** » Sat May 20, 2006 2:44 pm

I'm mostly into the "classic rock" drum sound, and I'm looking for a large collection of straight ahead rock drum loops to kick my songwriting into high gear. I'm not good at programming my own loops. I checked out Stylus RMX (with backbeat and retro funk), and love the interface, but found that stuff to way to modern sounding for what I'm looking for. Those loops are just way too busy they end up distracting me! I thought I'd like the retro funk, but it was way too 'funky' and processed.

Anyway, I'm considering BFD but I'm not sure if it's too resource hungry and complicated for me. The software should be easy to use, flexible, have many variations on straight ahead "classic" rock drum loops and fills, .. stuff that's ready to be in the final song. THANKS!

k2500x · Post by **k2500x** » Sat May 20, 2006 4:17 pm

Did some searching - looks like I can now begin to answer my own question. I'm gonna check out Drums on Demand and Beta Monkey stuff... Anything else I should look out for?

Hewitt Huntwork · Post by **Hewitt Huntwork** » Sat May 20, 2006 4:28 pm

Jamstix, DFH EZ Drummer

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Sat May 20, 2006 5:26 pm

Both those loop providers are good, +1 on those and +1 on JamStix. How is EZDrummer? Better or worse than JamStix for rock?

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Sat May 20, 2006 5:38 pm

I hate to seem like a spammer, but these might work for you. Especially volume 1: http://www.realmusicmedia.com/endangered_rhythms.html

k2500x · Post by **k2500x** » Sat May 20, 2006 6:04 pm

herodotus - I love prog rock of the early 70s! Too bad everything I've ever written came out in 4/4 time. I'll keep your loops in mind for when my writing gets more advanced.

I was not overly impressed with any of the Jamstix audio demos on the web site. I like the flexibility of the program, but if the samples aren't up to stuff then it's a no go. I think DoD or BetaMonkey with a multitrack REX2 player could be best for me. Just because they're loops that inspire my kind of music. The DoD stuff really impressed, but it costs more. Any suggestions for flexible REX2 plugins?

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Sat May 20, 2006 6:06 pm

k2500; the jamstix audio demos are a bad judge. Download and try the demo. The samples aren't bad at all and when you tweak the built in effects on some of it it sounds much better. You can also out them to their own channels and effect them externally. Honestly I think the jamstix drums are the most playable of any I've tried (they respond very well to velocity and such better).

papatomany · Post by **papatomany** » Sat May 20, 2006 6:54 pm

I love Jamstix and join in the chorus here on that, but another option is:

Beat Boy

These are midi loops that you can run through DK+, or any drum sound fonts or what have you. More flexible than audio loops. The Rod Morgenstein stuff (Dregs) is excellent.

For audio loops SoundsOnline has Steve Smith on closeout at $19.95.

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:00 pm

k2500x wrote:herodotus - I love prog rock of the early 70s! Too bad everything I've ever written came out in 4/4 time. I'll keep your loops in mind for when my writing gets more advanced.

Actually, volume 1 of Endangered Rhythms is all 4/4.

My playing influences are almost all classic rock: Zeppelin, Cream, Beatles, The Who....so, spiritually they should be right in line with what you are doing.

But whichever product you go with, Good Luck! And feel free to share your results in the Cafe.

DaveL60 · Post by **DaveL60** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:40 pm

Another source you might want to check out is LoopLibrary.com

DaveL

megl · Post by **megl** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:50 pm

k2500x wrote:herodotus - I love prog rock of the early 70s! Too bad everything I've ever written came out in 4/4 time. I'll keep your loops in mind for when my writing gets more advanced.

You should really check out Custom & Vintage from Toontrack as well!

/megl

k2500x · Post by **k2500x** » Sat May 20, 2006 10:20 pm

One further question:
There is no down side to using the REX2 files vs the acidized WAV files, is there? REX2 seems like the best choice to me.

herodotus · Post by **herodotus** » Sat May 20, 2006 10:37 pm

k2500x wrote:One further question:
There is no down side to using the REX2 files vs the acidized WAV files, is there? REX2 seems like the best choice to me.

It depends on what you are doing. If I personally were doing a mainly audio project (e.g. recording myself playing guitar or singing or playing an acoustic piano, with a rhythm track), I would just use wave files, as they are easier to work with.

What host application are you using?

megl · Post by **megl** » Sun May 21, 2006 12:05 am

k2500x wrote:One further question:
There is no down side to using the REX2 files vs the acidized WAV files, is there? REX2 seems like the best choice to me.

I really think you should consider jamstix and C&V again before deciding on using loops!

And if you decide on the loops - you should take a look at Stylus! You can import you own rex-files and use the Chaos Engine to add subtle variations!

/megl

leonard · Post by **leonard** » Sun May 21, 2006 12:59 am

I've been there, same probs.

solution:

Drums on Demands
Betamonkeymusic.

If your host can handle rex2 it would advice you to buy the rex2 version, which you can convert to use in Stylus RMX.

then maybe

Stylus RMX

The Steve Smith loops are also really good and quite cheap at SoundsOnl

Straight ahead ROCK drum loops?