KVR Audio

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Tue May 09, 2006 7:45 pm

Killvehicle wrote:Meh./... I mean, analytical or something I can grasp. I think you are overanalyzing, which is also funny when we are talking MUSIC. Which is something we hear, There are NO words that can translate into what we hear.

Oh, so now you retreat to the second favourite of mine: "it doesn't matter, it's just music".

Look, some of us ARE analytical engineers, and use that mindset to do our mixing/mastering/development business.

You call it overanalysis, I call it fun.

Oh, and before you think about retreating even further to your direction, I *do* make good music also. Unfortunately very little of the compositional talents have to do with mixing, and getting things to sound good. Ie. Analysis and Ear-brain connection is the most important tool in that, while it has practically no use in making good songs.

Let's not confuse the matters further.

You talk of only feeling the music. Well some of us like to analyse what cause certain things in music making "feel" certain way. It helps us in decision making process, and to improve our tools.

MaxCrest · Post by **MaxCrest** » Fri May 12, 2006 11:28 am

Ok..if anyone listened to a device like the Avalon VT-737, they know what i mean when i use the word "Warm".

I would like to try Purple Compressor, but i can hardly find any info on this one on te board.

You might think "Well buy the damn device!"..

I wish I have the cash at the moment.

Groet,

Jasper

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Fri May 12, 2006 12:04 pm

You could give T-Racks a try, sounds very smooth. Also some plugins from Voxengo, not really tube-simulations but as we can read eg. Marquis has something like a tube-stage build-in (and Marquis sounds smooth and warm too).
I found that Golden Unipressor and Golden Compressor from Kjaerhus sounds also very smooth colored (but I dont know if there is something modelled after tubes).

Some plugins are labeled as a "Tube Simulation" but sounds bad or too desreet (Blue Tubes from Nomade Factory). Others say nothing about tubes but sounds great

MaxCrest · Post by **MaxCrest** » Sat May 20, 2006 5:55 pm

I'm using something new now, it is called Nebula2.

It will be release later this year.

Gr Jasper

tikiyaki · Post by **tikiyaki** » Mon May 22, 2006 2:55 am

Barbarossa wrote:I agree with Kingston.
I never could understand what is meant with "warm". I can describe a sound as harsh, or silky. Smooth or aggressive. Or cheap and expensive. Clear or distorted. But warm? Cold?
IMO it is a typical marketing word from the magazines, where they have to promote things, although they sound sh.t.
You can't use "warm" to describe a sound.

I think "warm" usually indicates adding a rounder low end and thickness to the sound, while removing some of the more brittle, harsh elements.

That's what i think of as "warm' with regards to audio

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Mon May 22, 2006 3:06 am

MaxCrest, word 'vectorial' leads me to think they have based their plug-in on Angelo Farina's work (released on AES 110). But that is ain't no Volterra kernels. That's only a vague approximation. (sorry if I'm running ahead of the train here).

However, it will be interesting how local 'ears' accept such approach in terms of sound.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon May 22, 2006 3:18 am

What is this "Vectorial Vector Voltron" stuff?

graz · Post by **graz** » Mon May 22, 2006 7:39 am

Voltron? Volgon?

RESISTANCE IS USELESS

Acustica audio team

Barbarossa · Post by **Barbarossa** » Mon May 22, 2006 9:29 am

tikiyaki wrote:
Barbarossa wrote:I agree with Kingston.
I never could understand what is meant with "warm". I can describe a sound as harsh, or silky. Smooth or aggressive. Or cheap and expensive. Clear or distorted. But warm? Cold?
IMO it is a typical marketing word from the magazines, where they have to promote things, although they sound sh.t.
You can't use "warm" to describe a sound.
I think "warm" usually indicates adding a rounder low end and thickness to the sound,

And what does that mean?

while removing some of the more brittle, harsh elements.

What kind of treble is this?

That's what i think of as "warm' with regards to audio

To me that has absolutely no content of information.

ChocoLatteRabbit · Post by **ChocoLatteRabbit** » Mon May 22, 2006 4:09 pm

Kingston wrote:

Let's see now, instead of shooting in the dark with perfectly subjective wording, how about:

'warm'

1. an invisible boost at 50-200hz.
2. a dib at high freq content.
3. less defined mids, often presenting itself as the "loudness effect".
4. increased noisefloor, most likely not white noise, but something like brown instead.
5. inter/intramodulation artifacts
6. less defined transients, or just plain not coming thru well
7. increased transients on bass/mids! that's right. some people hear this as "warmth"
8. compressive artifacts
9. increased harmonic distortion content (usually even harmonics are less pronounced), either by waveshaping-like processing, or simply by adding them in with more advanced methods.
10. increased audio asymmetry or a DC component in processing
11. room/ambience in recordings.

combine any of that lot and you're "getting warm".

Absolutely correcto-mundo, Kingston.

From now on, My Peeps, be more precise with the correct word for the above listed attributes: Warm-Fuzzy.

Actually, I never realised there were this many things conributing to the "warm analog sound." Quite interesting, really. Thanks.

tikiyaki · Post by **tikiyaki** » Wed May 24, 2006 5:57 pm

Barbarossa wrote:
tikiyaki wrote:
Barbarossa wrote:I agree with Kingston.
I never could understand what is meant with "warm". I can describe a sound as harsh, or silky. Smooth or aggressive. Or cheap and expensive. Clear or distorted. But warm? Cold?
IMO it is a typical marketing word from the magazines, where they have to promote things, although they sound sh.t.
You can't use "warm" to describe a sound.
I think "warm" usually indicates adding a rounder low end and thickness to the sound,
And what does that mean?
while removing some of the more brittle, harsh elements.
What kind of treble is this?
That's what i think of as "warm' with regards to audio
To me that has absolutely no content of information.

Are you kidding me ? What kind of "content of information" were you looking for ? Scientific explanations ? db and khz numbers ? This is ART, fool ! It creates a FEELING...believe it or not, that's what music does. Warmth is a feeling, and I'm giving you my impression of what "warm" usually means to people when used as a descriptive for audio.

feyshay · Post by **feyshay** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:04 pm

I have yet to find a plug-in as good as Vintage Warmer to accomplish compression and adding a bit of "warmth".

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed May 24, 2006 8:07 pm

feyshay wrote:I have yet to find a plug-in as good as Vintage Warmer to accomplish compression and adding a bit of "warmth".

Any of that TriTone stuff will get you there, I think.

CapnLockheed · Post by **CapnLockheed** » Wed May 24, 2006 10:28 pm

Warm: Jimi Hendrix
Cold: Kajagoogoo
Warm: Led Zeppelin
Cold: Spandau Ballet
Warm: AC/DC
Cold: Flock of Seagulls

Cheers.....CL

feyshay · Post by **feyshay** » Thu May 25, 2006 1:12 am

bduffy wrote:
feyshay wrote:I have yet to find a plug-in as good as Vintage Warmer to accomplish compression and adding a bit of "warmth".
Any of that TriTone stuff will get you there, I think.

I didn't pull the credit trigger on Hydratone or the recent deal they had on Colortone. I'm definitely interested in their upcoming compressor.

VST/DX Tube compressor