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koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon May 29, 2006 9:46 pm

Sonicbytes, I actually saw your products last night but it was late so I didn't get the trials yet.

As for the arps, the Motif arps are more then just arps that play runs up and down or back and forth between the notes you play. They actuall have multi-polophony patterns that play. The most impressive to me are the guitar struts that you can get with the touch of a button. Hit a C and get an entire rythym track! Add an E and get even better, adding a harmony "strut". It's hard to explain, so maybe somebody can explain it better then I can. I will try your stuff later tonight or this week.

Brent

kydsmove · Post by **kydsmove** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:29 am

I have a Motif 6, and have messed with the arpegiator a bit, but was turned off by the fact that you have to record it into the sequencer first to make a pattern, not to mention that the software for it is only OS 9 compatible with no update on their website. I can't believe they still sell it with a OS9 only software Cd!
Anyway,
It does sound pretty powerfull, but I'll stick to recording into Logic vs "one finger magic".

Rock Hardbuns · Post by **Rock Hardbuns** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:52 am

Are you talking pattern arpegiators? I made one a while ago. There's a bug in it that makes it default to freerun mode when you restore from a save, but it's pretty useable anyway. I might get around to fixing it some day.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=115746

Gwydi · Post by **Gwydi** » Tue May 30, 2006 1:21 am

The reason there are so few software arpeggiators is that most hosts don't support midi plugs that output midi. They expect midi-in, audio-out (ie, a synth). Why would a developer spend time and money making something that won't work in most hosts?

Your best bet is still to get a hardware synth with a good arp that transmits midi.

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Tue May 30, 2006 1:45 am

Gwydi wrote:The reason there are so few software arpeggiators is that most hosts don't support midi plugs that output midi. They expect midi-in, audio-out (ie, a synth). Why would a developer spend time and money making something that won't work in most hosts?

Your best bet is still to get a hardware synth with a good arp that transmits midi.

Something like Granted Software's ReMIDI (Mac OS X only) is the perfect solution for this situation. Its a standalone app that sits between the MIDI interface and the Host (or you can route it back out thru the interface to arpeggiate a HW synth). the MIDI routing is drop dead simle, no MIDIYoke'esque stuff necessary.

ReMIDI is actually an excellent piece of software, which has the casio chord assistant thingy as well as guitar strums and a simple up-down-random arp.

http://www.grantedsw.com/remidi/

I actually emailed the dev hoping to get them to consider adding phrase capabilities to it, but I haven't heard back yet.

DaveSmom · Post by **DaveSmom** » Tue May 30, 2006 1:50 am

You can turn your regular arp into a monster using GOMP... Check my sig.

jones-y · Post by **jones-y** » Tue May 30, 2006 1:55 am

kydsmove wrote:I have a Motif 6, and have messed with the arpegiator a bit, but was turned off by the fact that you have to record it into the sequencer first to make a pattern,

I don't really care for that either, but I found the included arps (and the edit params) flexible enough to cover a lot of ground.

kydsmove wrote:not to mention that the software for it is only OS 9 compatible with no update on their website. I can't believe they still sell it with a OS9 only software Cd!

OS X software available on yamahasynth.com (for about the past 18 months or so...)

Unfocused · Post by **Unfocused** » Tue May 30, 2006 2:38 am

It may not help if you want a general arp. (one to control *any* plug), but Markleford showed me a Kontakt script in Kontakt 2 that triggered some pretty realistic patterns for acoustic guitar samples.

Also, I believe you should be able to make one of these in Reaktor pretty easily now (can transmit MIDI--perhaps you always could, but I'm a library user rather than a user...). Sky's the limit there--some of the Reaktor ensemble designers have done some amazing stuff with arps.

As far as hosts supporting arps, Sonar has one (albiet very simple one) built in as an MFX. I'm sure other hosts have something similar.

-u

Gwydi · Post by **Gwydi** » Tue May 30, 2006 2:47 am

Unfocused wrote:Also, I believe you should be able to make one of these in Reaktor pretty easily now

No - Reaktor itself can transmit midi, yes, but most VST hosts will not cope with a plugin that's trying to output midi - they expect a plugin to be midi-in, audio-out.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue May 30, 2006 4:03 am

Kontakt 2 does have some good scripting, and I just happen to use it as my sampler. I'll have to check out more scripts. But I end up running most things through it anyways.

I'll also look at all the other suggestions here. Thanks guys.

Brent

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Tue May 30, 2006 4:32 am

Dont DAWs like Energy-XT, sonar, cubase, live or Pro Tools have midi-outs. Why dont people write arp programs for those DAWs?

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Tue May 30, 2006 5:36 pm

That's what I thought. I didn't think it was "only" MIDIFX that could be used. But then again, there are alot of things I don't know.

Brent

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:22 pm

I sure would like a vst arpeggiator for the Mac. There is nothing much available

LarryAW · Post by **LarryAW** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:31 pm

koolkeys wrote:Kontakt 2 does have some good scripting, and I just happen to use it as my sampler. I'll have to check out more scripts. But I end up running most things through it anyways.

I'll also look at all the other suggestions here. Thanks guys.

Brent

Hi Brent,

Unless you have to have a keyboard, I would recommend you look into the Motif Rack ES. You won't have sampling and you can't make your own ARP's, but it comes with, I think, 1787 of them. It also has the Motif ES' sound engine, which is great IMO.

I'm a complete novice when it comes to MIDI. Please remember that, since the following is really basic. I have a Motif ES6, but because of back problems, I spend most of my time in my recliner, where I have a temp music setup. I like the Motif ES6 so much, that I bought a Rack ES to use in my temporary setup. For me, it's easier to use the Rack ES than the Motif ES6 remotely. BTW, there is no comparison between the Motif's ARPs and the Motif ES ARPs. They were improved and expanded upon - considerably.

Basic Example: I just starting learning Ableton Live 5 a couple of days ago. If I want to record a softsynth using a Rack ES ARP, I: 1) in addition to MIDI THRU, I connect the Rack ES via MIDI OUT. ARP info is sent via MIDI OUT only. 2) I go to the Rack ES' utilities section and turn "ArpOutSW" on. This is what tells the Rack ES to send the ARP info. 3) Select the softsynth and arm the track 4) turn on the rack's arpeggiator. The only way you'll hear the softsynth is with the ARP on, because that's the info that's sent. BTW, you do not have to record to hear the softsynth playing the ARP -- at least that's not the case in Live 5. Just make sure the MIDI track is armed and the arp is on. Once you are satisfied with the ARP pattern and the softsynth's program, you can then click the record button and then the play button to start recording. When you are finished, you have recorded a MIDI clip of a softsynth playing a Rack ES ARP. It can be manipulated like any other MIDI clip. As long as you don't delete the actual recording, you can substitute another program, or delete the softsynth you used and select another instead. The MIDI clip (recording) is still there.

You can assign up to 5 ARP patterns for each Motif ES program. While you are playing, you just click, in the rack's case, page (right arrow), to go to the next ARP, or page (left arrow) to go back to the previous ARP, and you can choose whether it makes the change in real time, or at the end of the measure. There are 3 user program banks (3 x 128 programs) and you can assign 5 ARPS in the order you like to each one.

This is really basic, because I know about 5% MIDI and about 5% Ableton Live 5. I have always recorded audio (from one computer to another), not MIDI, but that is going to change. I am also physically limited so I can't get into heavy-duty sequencing. This was just to give you a basic overview of what you can do with the Motif ES (and Rack ES) and their ARPs. And then you have MULTIS....

Here's a link to Yamaha's manual library so you can further check out the Motif ES/Rack ES:

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/index.php

lex_strooder · Post by **lex_strooder** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:47 pm

pdxindy wrote:I sure would like a vst arpeggiator for the Mac. There is nothing much available

its not in vst format but numerology is pretty much one of the greatest midi arps... if you can sync it to your host, that is...

http://www.five12.com/numerology.html

Arpeggiators like what is on the Motif ES-8. Do they exist?