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BERFAB · Post by **BERFAB** » Wed May 31, 2006 7:59 pm

Stupid American Pig wrote:...of course Pace or a dongle would be a deal breaker... I think that this could be the real deal, but what do I know.

I don't see how he could release a synth like this at a $300 to $500 price point WITHOUT dongle protection.

Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:04 pm

I could fart through that much reverb and you'd all say it sounded amazing

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:05 pm

Hunter wrote:I could fart through that much reverb and you'd all say it sounded amazing

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:06 pm

Hunter wrote:I could fart through that much reverb and you'd all say it sounded amazing

Lets hear yer best example

No name · Post by **No name** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:18 pm

Watch out Arturia.

liqih · Post by **liqih** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:31 pm

just got that demo mp3, very nice ideed,

but what I read in that thread, <grin>

Correct. What makes the synth stand out is that I've done some sophisticated modeling of the behaviour of the instruments. The sounds are NOT generated through Physical Modelling (wave equation) but the instrumental behaviour have been modelled using physical equations. The tone and behaviour (and performance) of true Physical Models just can't compete with sample technology (yet). It's basically just a question of what level you choose to model an instrument. Samples are high-level, Physical Modelling is low-level, I'm in between.

Good man! This is EXACTLY where I had hoped new development would go. Congrats to you...I think you're gonna make a killing....if you can get it to market before all of the others do!

as developer note I must say that "being in between" was and is
my design method for my synths, see Knagalis and Peti mostly,
which are 3 and 2 years old now, <wink>

BTW SaxLab is going in that direction too, as I started this year to work on v2

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Wed May 31, 2006 9:15 pm

Bare in mind that comparison to Synful is a bit mute seeing as this synth is apparently realtime.

vic_france · Post by **vic_france** » Wed May 31, 2006 10:09 pm

Gregjazz wrote:Also keep in mind that the demo was recorded with a BC3 wind controller. The synth is not making that expression up. The sounds are good, but I'd like to hear it played with a MIDI keyboard and see how much expression that can get.

Word for word, exactly what I was about to post!

I did ask on that other thread if he'd post a demo played from a "regular" keyboard (with modwheel, aftertouch, pedal etc.)

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:01 pm

vic_france wrote:
Gregjazz wrote:Also keep in mind that the demo was recorded with a BC3 wind controller. The synth is not making that expression up. The sounds are good, but I'd like to hear it played with a MIDI keyboard and see how much expression that can get.
Word for word, exactly what I was about to post!
I did ask on that other thread if he'd post a demo played from a "regular" keyboard (with modwheel, aftertouch, pedal etc.)

Right. It's not difficult to get a lot more realism from using wind controllers due to the amount of expression they are able to produce. They also get a lot of articulations keyboards can't get easily (swells, etc.), unless you're really good with the pitch bend/mod wheel.

The basic tone of these instruments is pretty good. There's some strange stuff every once in a while, but it's definitely the best 100% synth imitating real instruments I've heard.

But it only has these instruments: Horn, Oboe, Alto Flute, Bb Clarinet, Bassoon, Trombone, Flute, Tenor Saxophone, Bass Clarinet, Trumpet, Eb Clarinet, Tuba, Alto Saxophone and Bass Trombone.

If he expanded it to cover string sections and much more instruments as well as percussion, THEN I'd agree with a $399 price tag.

plastique · Post by **plastique** » Wed May 31, 2006 11:13 pm

I think this demo resembles brass pretty well for my own experience but I'm asking myself if it is that hard to do for this instrument . Or differently, I mean, it is not really the range of instruments which probably have such a broad range of expression that they need modelling. Maybe they do , but the demo this person provided didn't show anything which would have pulled me into believing it's something spectacular. More demos may tell more though ...

I second that there should be more instrument types, a brass only instrument thingy is highly unlikely to get my money (not for that amount in any case).

G-Ro124 · Post by **G-Ro124** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:03 am

it's quite good... i'm impressed... however, i think it will be priced very high because it's got a flute and a trumpet and possibly other instruments--double or more the work, so he/she (you never know

it could be a she) will want more compensation

FaX · Post by **FaX** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:22 am

ugo wrote:sounds pretty damn impressive. if i read those posts correctly, i am under the impression that the dev has created those sounds using a combination of resynthesis for the core sound, and physical modeling for other acoustic properties. do i have that right?

-ugo

I always wondered why no one took the Teachnics WSA1 that step further.
In essence made just that.
A Sampler that Performs resynthesis with Physical Modelled Engine for it's synthesis engine.
Makes perfect sense to me.
The technics used samples but using accurate resynthesis would probably yield better results of infact hybridise the two with a PM modelling engine for everything else post oscillator source.

tuz · Post by **tuz** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:30 am

shit... after hearing this and mdsp's violin, i don't know how i'll ever sleep until they're out.

Toonyfish · Post by **Toonyfish** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:39 am

liqih wrote:
BTW SaxLab is going in that direction too, as I started this year to work on v2

Okay, you got my attention.

duncanparsons · Post by **duncanparsons** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:47 am

..so this is what ZioKiller has been up to..

DSP

What the !!! Has anyone even seen this!!??