Nativi Instruments Guitar Rig 2 - is awesome!!

[VaiHalen]

Yes but those demos...No solos like the funky tracks you posted, and I dont like very much the sound in the demos.

[Melodioso]

There is something clear for me: I hear POD tracks, Xt tracks, Amplitube 1 tracks...and I hear my presets in GR2, nothing can compare to the sounds I get with GR2. If I hear a guitar solo using Amplitube 2 that it's better than what I get, then I'll be very glad. But nobody proves it, nobody post it, so GR2 is the best.

Could you post a mp3 of this sound? Just a lead guitar alone would be great! I'm curious...

[grymmjack]

I think he meant NATIVITY instruments.

cute

[stayne]

I'm confused. Why are you relying on another guitarist and not trying out the demos? Is it because of the "dongle" USB thing?

[Hink]

There is something clear for me: I hear POD tracks, Xt tracks, Amplitube 1 tracks...and I hear my presets in GR2, nothing can compare to the sounds I get with GR2. If I hear a guitar solo using Amplitube 2 that it's better than what I get, then I'll be very glad. But nobody proves it, nobody post it, so GR2 is the best.

as long as it's using cpu for processing I can't agree, but alas I have nothing to prove...

Last night I was in a very good mood...my seemingly aggravated rant was half sarcasm, half truth and not really aimed at anyone on that page...I'm sure many who read it (like Davesmom) saw it just as that.

Let me set the stage some, in the last months generally by the same few people I have been told.

1. I do not play with feeling at all...yet who here can actually state what I am feeling, or how I express that?
2. I have been told that my phrasing is wrong, not that they do not like it...it's wrong which too me is beyond arrogance.
3. I have been told that I am a "just for fun" player because I do not see things the way they do. I'm never going to get rich playing, nor do I care. However I have never said I am better than anyone, I do not judge other people's music and I act with respect. I am very passionate about my playing, it's one of my great joys in life and has been longer than many here have been sucking air. That doesn't mean I'm better than someone, it certainly doesn't mean I'll never be as good as others. It means that I can extract pure pleasure for myself just playing, it means it keeps me balanced and on even ground. "Just for fun" was a comment that was so demeaning and condescending that I will bring up again and again because it shows how huge the ego is on some people.
4. I have been told that my sound is wrong...again not that someone doesn't like it, but actually it's wrong.
5. Everyday there are some who just want to put words in peoples mouths so they can boost up their own obviously low self-esteem.
6. TBH this boils down over the couple years I have been here to about 6 people max.

The truth is I am an accomplished guitar player (not the best, not the worst) who has mastered getting what I need from music, I have seen a lot of guitarists go to the highest heights achievable in the superficial world only to end up very let down, quite sad and miserable in their own existence. They never found what they were looking for all those years and they masked it with drugs, booze, egos and arrogance, some suicide. Many of them forgot about the passion they once had.

I on the other hand have the greatest gift I could ask for. When I'm stressed I can relax by picking up my guitar, when I'm sad I can cheer up by playing my guitar (to this there is no argument, some here know after a tragic accident my guitar is what saved my life). I love my passion and it hasn't faded, it grows.

When I'm in a great mood I can enhance it by playing my guitar. My gift does not in anyway make me gifted, nor is it a statement of talent...it's just my gift in life that I am quite thankful I was blessed with...others achieve the same thing jumping out of planes, fishing, mountain climbing, playing video games, watching tv, playing sports, having sex, eating, drinking, drugging, riding, bowling, painting, sculpting, spelunking, deep sea diving, being couch potatoes, talking politics, going to church, going to school, photography, posting on line...the list goes on...my point is I am thankful for my gift, I am humbled by my gift, I love my gift (and tbh I was like many boys my age growing up, wanting to be a pro ball player, but then I joined little league and forgot about that).

Someone here in the last week actually had the inflated ego to reduce that to "just for fun" which means to me that they really do not understand at all what being an artist is about and what passion means. Any way you look at it, it's absolutely moronic. Even worse I would like to be this persons friend, I think we have a lot in common, but their nose is so high in the air it doesn't hardly seem worth it anymore. But then if they don't want to listen to me me and possibly learn something from me I still have no problem listening to them and learning from them, that would make them the loser in the end imo.

If I suck (in their eyes) and still have been playing for just about 35 years, certainly there is something positive for me in playing, and that should earn some respect (at least the same respect I give others), because it proves my passion outweighs my ego. If I am just so-so (which is how I feel), it proves that I am keeping it real and and my passion is a well balanced part of my life. If some people think I'm the bees knees, that's quite humbling and it makes me feel good, which is a bonus to all the rest.

But I am so tired of what is the best, I'm tired of absolutes by people who have yet to mature to the level that they realize that what you like today you might see in a different light when you grow. People need to keep it real..lets share thoughts, not trade insults.

Do you want to know what the best amp/sim/guitar/synth/tool is?...whatever one I am using...but it's not better than anything else, it's just best for me at that moment in time because it is giving me immense pleasure.

Do you want to know who the best guitar player is on earth? Me, because I can get so much joy from my playing...which is best for me...but that does not make me better than anyone no matter how long they have been playing. Nor does it make me worse than anyone else, those who attempt to put me down because they don't like me are the ones who have issues.

When someone else said this week that you can't play fast and play with emotion I thought "what a first class idiot"...I like to play fast, so when I do I am happy, if I am happy who are they to judge...if they don't like it, turn it off...if they feel the need to attack me then something is missing in their life, not mine.

But then there are those who must put themselves down by attacking others (though they are so narrow minded they will never be able to see that), they must keep working hard to be "better" than everyone else, then they will get that validation they have been chasing for so long...the same validation I can get just playing "Mary had a little lamb".

There was a thread recently called "Musicians are snobs"...I guess that's why I don't hang out with a lot of musicians. In fact I just went through this with my best friend when he said he was giving up music and part of the reason is I do not want to be in another band...and he desperately wants to relive our lives in the 80's...I don't...because it's true, many musicians are huge snobs. One of the greatest things I like about KVR is that many people here do not play physical instruments and seem to miss that elitist attitude as a result...but imho they are real musicians...but at least they are real and I can relate to them as a result...there are also many people here who play physical instruments here who see it as I and I care for them dearly as well because their friendship is a prize possession.

Now I will play my guitar, I will be happy because it's my passion...not governed by those who are just setting themselves up to fail. Like I say there are only a small group that fit this category...but seriously they need to get over themselves and have fun...they will never be better than me and I will never be better than them...but because I don't care about being better than them I can concentrate on being better each day...and quite often while playing, my own playing moves me to tears of joy...that is the greatest gift of all...I hope one day everyone learns that, but some are to hell bent on being the best instead of being the best they can and they will never understand...

So VaiHalen (someone who I respect), I'm sorry GR2 is not the best, but I am elated it's the best for you...

and fwiw you do not fit the profile of the negatives I pointed out, in fact the exact opposite...but the comment "it's the best" feeds this misconception that "best" really exists globally.


sorry for the hi-jack...if enough people want me to leave kvr I have no problem with that...I'll go.

[DaveSmom]

re: I'll go

No way Hinky!.... I know this place is badly run, but if you avoid the trolls, sometimes kick their heads in and look past the masses of negativity (that's a pommie trait ie. they can't help it), you can actually find good people to have a joke with They do exist, trust me..... hehe

[stayne]

Wow this is my second day posting here and I have seen more drama than in the last year on the internet combined.

Aaaah. I'm home.

[Hink]

re: I'll go

No way Hinky!.... I know this place is badly run, but if you avoid the trolls, sometimes kick their heads in and look past the masses of negativity (that's a pommie trait ie. they can't help it), you can actually find good people to have a joke with They do exist, trust me..... hehe

like I said, it's just a few...and you proved your own point, 'cause as I see it you're one of the good ones...sadly I would not call any of them trolls...just self important snobs...

about badly run, I totally disagree...this place is owned by someone who I have had very few interactions with, but those few showed me hoe deserving respect he is...the mods here imo are quite good...I've only had one negative experience with one and the truth is that was more fueled by our not knowing each other...as a result I really respect the hell out of the guy because of how it resolved...there is one mod here who shall remain nameless that I am proud to call a friend, and having a chance to get to know him alone makes KVR worth the time I spend here.

[DaveSmom]

By badly run, I meant the mods don't even seem to attempt to keep the trolls in check. A simple reporting/monitoring system with an initial warning and then if they keep it up... a week ban.... If they return and mess up yet again, then delete account. Couldn't be simpler

And, some of those mods seem to have vested interests. This is TOTALLY wrong IMHO. ie. There seems to be one rule for some and another rule for the rest. Again... a sign of poor management

Also, why do the mods hide. What are they afraid of? Being wrong?

(Methinks we better change the subject Hinky me-boy )

[Hink]

Wow this is my second day posting here and I have seen more drama than in the last year on the internet combined.

Aaaah. I'm home.

no drama...jusy expressing my grief that everyone of these subjective threads turns into the same thing...the original poster likes GR2...that's awesome...unfortunately too many people puff out their chest and have to explain why he is wrong....I won't be so cliche as to say "shut up and play your guitar"...but I will still be playing my guitar until the day I die...I'm sorry if it came off as drama...probably because of the ego comment made I went a little overboard...I try to keep the ego in check...I just love playing guitar, and have since my parents gave me a guitar in 1971...if I make a mistake I try to see it as an inspiration...if I do something that I'm very proud of, I really enjoy basking privately in the afterglow..

[AndrewSimon]

no drama...jusy expressing my grief that everyone of these subjective threads turns into the same thing...the original poster likes GR2...that's awesome...unfortunately too many people puff out their chest and have to explain why he is wrong

Not quite, the original poster decided that GR2 is great without testing AT2 and in his words he doesn't need to.
As someone who used both I felt the need to point out that in my opinion he is wrong.

[grymmjack]

Wow this is my second day posting here and I have seen more drama than in the last year on the internet combined.

Aaaah. I'm home.

There are many passionate people frequenting KVR. What happens when all these passionate people also happen to have their own opinions and think that the opinions of others are wrong? You are witnessing it.

Word of advice; if someone baits you, ignore it. Do like AAFussy and just say "sure" or ignore it. There is no possible way to fight that which does not fight back

BTW, I started posting this year (have been a member for longer using the database) and have learned quite a bit and had alot of laughs and made alot of friends. It's not all soap-opera bullshit.

Welcome to the board.

[grymmjack]

By badly run, I meant the mods don't even seem to attempt to keep the trolls in check. A simple reporting/monitoring system with an initial warning and then if they keep it up... a week ban.... If they return and mess up yet again, then delete account. Couldn't be simpler

O' contraire mon' friar! (however you spell that)

I think the freedom is the best policy they could possibly take. Plus consider how much activity happens here, it would be a full time job requiring an entire staff.

KVR is the frontier man!

If you want nice and proper and polite and fake crap, go check out almost any other forum that is run using moderation.

Mute is all the moderation you need and even that is for saps considering how little willpower it takes to remain silent when baited by the troll to come under the bridge.

If they started playing forum-nazi, this forum would suck, IMO.

[Hink]

no drama...jusy expressing my grief that everyone of these subjective threads turns into the same thing...the original poster likes GR2...that's awesome...unfortunately too many people puff out their chest and have to explain why he is wrong

Not quite, the original poster decided that GR2 is great without testing AT2 and in his words he doesn't need to.
As someone who used both I felt the need to point out that in my opinion he is wrong.

but you didn't fit the profile of what I was speaking about...in fact cudos to you because you tried to start the thread off the way it should go by saying "in your opinion"...you didn't make a proclamation of being infallible...I'm like you, I'm going to try most things...but I wont try AT2 only because I don't want to buy a dongle to do so, especially when I have a preconceived bias...I might go up to GC sometime and try it, or perhaps one day my ilok can be coded...or maybe I will get something one day with the same dongle...but I won't lie...I'm still totally biased against using a pluggin based solution because I want to conserve my cpu and even the slightest latency gets perceived by me as a bad thing...my perception likely is dead wrong, but it's a part of who I am...

[Hink]

By badly run, I meant the mods don't even seem to attempt to keep the trolls in check. A simple reporting/monitoring system with an initial warning and then if they keep it up... a week ban.... If they return and mess up yet again, then delete account. Couldn't be simpler

O' contraire mon' friar! (however you spell that)

I think the freedom is the best policy they could possibly take. Plus consider how much activity happens here, it would be a full time job requiring an entire staff.

KVR is the frontier man!

If you want nice and proper and polite and fake crap, go check out almost any other forum that is run using moderation.

Mute is all the moderation you need and even that is for saps considering how little willpower it takes to remain silent when baited by the troll to come under the bridge.

If they started playing forum-nazi, this forum would suck, IMO.

agreed

edit: but I think self moderation is in order...there is more than one member here who has shown that they do not like being talked to the way they talk to others...they need to reflect on that some...I think from the sewers to the ritz people who act with respect should receive respect...and btw I don't think respect has to be earned...the only time respect should be earned is when it's been lost, then it's up to that person to earn it back...