KVR Audio

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:49 am

Welcome to kvr arwa. I was really impressed with the demo. Its me who started the thread, BTW. So, sorry for the un-invited feeling the thread may have projected.

Tony Ostinato · Post by **Tony Ostinato** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:15 am

well i wrote off a couple PM's begging and begging to be a tester so maybe with some luck....

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:50 am

Arwa, if you're reading this, check out Tony Ostinato's demos using Milestone. He'd probably be the best one to help beta test your product.

Tony Ostinato · Post by **Tony Ostinato** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:20 am

aaWWWWWwwwWWww thats nice of ya!

We had a PM talk and he knows im standing by.

really exciting stuff, isnt it?

arwa02 · Post by **arwa02** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:23 pm

keyman_sam wrote:Welcome to kvr arwa. I was really impressed with the demo. Its me who started the thread, BTW. So, sorry for the un-invited feeling the thread may have projected.

Don't worry. I know I might have offended some people by only posting at one forum. It's just that I've spent three days constantly answering mails and pm:s since that first post, and even that is a bit more than I have time for right now.

spuddle · Post by **spuddle** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:44 pm

I recommend you put off replying to mails and pm's unless they contain offers of money

If you want to answer peoples questions, then make proper 'official' threads on all the forums you hang out and in which you post answers 'FAQ' style. Then just make sure people know of that link to get their questions answered.

Then that leaves you with more time to get back to development. Something playable, in our hands, without silly hassles of dongles is the best description and sales pitch you'll ever have. So get to that sir!

Best of luck.

Tony Ostinato · Post by **Tony Ostinato** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:58 pm

on northern someone was saying split it up into instrument families but i disagree, for the wx5 id like something where i have all the instruments and can switch between them really quickly by program change command and not have to ever touch the laptop.

the vl70m is like that, and thats what i use now and will probably keep using in addition to whatever else i setup.

arwa02 · Post by **arwa02** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:50 am

Tony Ostinato wrote:on northern someone was saying split it up into instrument families but i disagree, for the wx5 id like something where i have all the instruments and can switch between them really quickly by program change command and not have to ever touch the laptop.

the vl70m is like that, and thats what i use now and will probably keep using in addition to whatever else i setup.

I see your point, too. On the other hand, a lot of people don't need anything but, for instance, the saxophones, and would get an unnecessarily heavy plugin (if there are many variations on the instruments, the plugin will definitely become larger) and pay for stuff they don't need. I'm not sure about this one. People are often putting down other developers on the forums because they have to pay for full orchestral collections when all they need is a couple of reeds.

How do other people feel about this issue?

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:48 pm

if feasible, limited/budget optioning would be a benefit, especially sax

perhaps when you have a 'complete format,' it will be less work to do one-offs..

not to give you more unnecessary info to read (remember people - more reading = less developing!)

if it helps get product out faster, i'll offer graphics, no obligation.

not my specialty, but http://www.xoxos.net/vsti.html

'sandh,' 'utopia' and 'dystopia' being representative of recent work.

paulmerchant · Post by **paulmerchant** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:40 pm

I know this has been said, but I wanted to chime in especially now that arwa has chimed in. This effort is one of the most exciting things I've ever seen. I hate the way the industry has moved to these huge gigabytes worth of libraries for orchestral instruments. Pretty soon someone will have a flute library thats a terrabyte large with an impossible interface to get the most realism ever. Blah. Also, I've never liked the sound of Synful for some reason. I think your little MP3 sample already captures exactly what I would be looking for (although the noises and tweaks you're working on will make your work even more exceptional). To me it's already better than Synful.

To answer some of your questions, breaking it down into 4 synths sounds good. I would hate to see each instrument as a synth, but having one dedicated for strings, one for woodwinds, one for reeds, etc. would be cool. Then it would be less expensive for us to get in on it (5 or 6 modules for $50 each or $200 for all of them would be perfect for me).

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:49 pm

No - I'd rather have one synth capable of multiple models. Only then would one have the capability to create hybrid instruments and explore new musical territory. If its not sample based then there's no reason why an instrument that includes several models such as a horns and blown instruments model, a plucked model etc would be bloated at all. I'm with Tony - we need something like an Uber VL that you can move between sounds with fluidly - not have to load a new synth to change models - that is far too limiting.

funkychickendance · Post by **funkychickendance** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:17 pm

aMUSEd wrote:No - I'd rather have one synth capable of multiple models. Only then would one have the capability to create hybrid instruments and explore new musical territory. If its not sample based then there's no reason why an instrument that includes several models such as a horns and blown instruments model, a plucked model etc would be bloated at all. I'm with Tony - we need something like an Uber VL that you can move between sounds with fluidly - not have to load a new synth to change models - that is far too limiting.

e.g., Modelonia

/funxi

customdigi · Post by **customdigi** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:01 pm

Hey Arwa,

Wow, great mp3 demo, and I am impressed with the way you handle yourself on these forums. Congrats on the killer work and I hope we get our hands on your VST pronto!

I am a multiple woodwind doubler by trade...with an emphasis on classical bassoon. My main "electronic" rig is the VL70-m (with the patchman Turbo chip) and a WX5 as a controller. Based on your demo, I think you have at least equalled the Patchman patches if not surpassed them. The key, is certainly to use a wind controller. I cant do a damn thing with a keyboard controlling my VL70m, but with the WX5 it is truly inspiring. Anyway, let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I spend at least an hour a day tooting on the WX5 and would be glad to play anything that you would like, either solo, or in the context of a mix. I can also do some A/B stuff between your VST and the VL70-m if anyone is interested. good luck with everything, and no matter what, don't sell yourself short with the pricing. We need people like you to be able to continue to afford to develop!

-Matt Corey
Fort Lauderdale,FL

paulmerchant · Post by **paulmerchant** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:36 pm

I don't think you should sell yourself short, either, arwa. The only reason I brought up fairly low pricing is that because of your specifications (and the way you are going about this), you can and should reach a much wider audience than the huge sample libraries.

benjamind · Post by **benjamind** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:57 am

Yeah, sample libraries are a dying breed. All these realistic synths that recreate acoustic instruments (and of course, unheard of instruments that would be impossible to play in the real world) are the next evolution and go far and beyond the sample libraries that we've had to deal with (as of now, in the past). Imagine having all the brass, woodwind, sax, stringed, bowed and synth instruments in one system and being able to choose from a huge list of acoustic instruments and different varieties of the same instrument. That would be a godsend for everyone who has an interest in musical expression. Sample libraries can give you that, but they are limited in expression. This synth you're working on is a much better solution because, unlike sample libraries, it offers endless expression possibilities. Without expression music is very robotic and lifeless.

Sample libraries are kinda like robots, and this synth is kinda like a human. Huge difference. Much better, smoother, more fluid, and you don't need to know the whole story like you do with sample libraries (like teaching a robot to do different articulations and performances because of the way the robot is set up), the human is just...biological and alive, and does things like a human would, complete with neural networks and so forth and the human, unlike a robot, is capable of abstraction. Your synth is also capable of abstraction, whereas sample libraries are not.

Arwa, you are on to something very good here. I hope you price it so as to ensure you get enough money to fund further development of this synth. If it means pricing it at $300-400 then so be it. Most of us can afford that if we are willing to save up for it. To me, being able to use your synth and have all those instruments at my fingertips is worth a lot more than a measly $100. You need to have a decent life and be able to acquire the custom sample sets for each of the instruments you are planning on adding to the synth. Obviously sample sets could be obtained from East/West or Garritan since they are well known for their great samples. If you can team up with Garritan or East/West to get the samples then you are in great hands and you would be able to work out something feasible that would ensure both yourself and Garritan/EastWest benefit hugely from this new development. You could get one sample set from EastWest and another sample set from Garritan, and put the instruments you created from the Garritan samples in one pack, and the instruments you created from the EastWest samples in another pack, and sell those packs separately as add-ons to ensure that Garritan/EastWest get their share of the deal. It could work out very well if things were set up like that. I like EastWest and Garritan because the sample quality is phenomenal. Garritan has pretty much all of the saxophones and jazz brass covered and also the vast majority of the orchestral stuff right now, and with his upcoming GPO Advanced he'll have some rare instruments covered too. I'm sure you could sort something out.

I wish you the best of luck.

Ben

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