808/909 sampling project - first free 129 samples

[Bobro Cameron]

Great samples, do more! It doesn't matter that 808/909 has been done to death, layering in TR sounds with other sounds works very well.

-Bobro

[DuX]

ahhh, I'm so used to people not hearing the so obvious difference in clarity and smoothness between 44.1/24 and 96/24. It doesn't matter, the samples are great, although joining the xx number of 44.1/24 TR kits which we all have. Any better resolution would be great, especially for the kick, whatever you may think.

Now, I'm not saying the "magic" word 192/24... you'll never hear me do that, but 88.2/24 or 96/24 is another thing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not losing any interest in having these samples. I appreciate it being 24bit at least. Now please someone say 24 bit is too much...

You people are habit-robots, and if someone experimented with all the sampling frequencies more than me - please let me know .

I have only a few 24-bit TR kits This is gonna be more than welcome .

As I said, any move for the better is OK and remember that it's MUCH easier to lose quality than to gain quality. Hell, even my 96/24 kits sound better when decimated, glitched or otherwise malested than 44.1/24 samples.

enough rant. Just through us the cookie be it with a blueberry jam or a strawberry jam - doesn't matter .

Cheers!

[soniccouture]

ahhh, I'm so used to people not hearing the so obvious difference in clarity and smoothness between 44.1/24 and 96/24. It doesn't matter, the samples are great, although joining the xx number of 44.1/24 TR kits which we all have. Any better resolution would be great, especially for the kick, whatever you may think.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not losing any interest in having these samples. I appreciate it being 24bit at least. Now please someone say 24 bit is too much...

You people are habit-robots, and if someone experimented with all the sampling frequencies more than me - please let me know .


Cheers!

well, firstly, yes, 24 bit is probably not required to sample an 808.

secondly, why would 96k be especially good for the kick, given that it contains no frequency information above about 7khz? frankly i think you could sample it at 22khz and it would sound fine.

I'm pretty sure i have experimented with sampling frequencies every bit as much as you ! it's not habit, its just based on decent logic, years of experimenting and a deep knowledge of digital audio, that's all.

[DuX]

If I got a penny for every time a discussed sampling I'd be a rich man. So I don't bother anymore. I will just say this, for example:

Sample an original 808 kick or Roland Jupiter bass into an AKAI S950 or ASR-10 at different frequencies from maximum to lowest and pick the best. What do you think would be the best? Purely sound quality wise, I mean. Not for "creative" purposes . That's because at bigger frequencies, sampling resolution is bigger and the sinewave of an analog bass is more sinewave than at lower sampling frequencies. Pure logic. Nothing to do with what you hear or not hear, but the audible frequencies get smoother and a bit brighter - more faithful to the source. I used to experiment a lot in those hardware days...

Of course, some [me included] still prefer SP1200 12-bit or even 8-bit sounds at 22kHz or less. I can understand that, I like them too - when doing hard core techno or industrial, for instance, but when you do ambient/new age and softer stuff in general - not so.

nuff said .

Cheers!

[uvacom]

If I got a penny for every time a discussed sampling I'd be a rich man. So I don't bother anymore. I will just say this, for example:

Sample an original 808 kick or Roland Jupiter bass into an AKAI S950 or ASR-10 at different frequencies from maximum to lowest and pick the best. What do you think would be the best? Purely sound quality wise, I mean. Not for "creative" purposes . That's because at bigger frequencies, sampling resolution is bigger and the sinewave of an analog bass is more sinewave than at lower sampling frequencies. Pure logic. Nothing to do with what you hear or not hear, but the audible frequencies get smoother and a bit brighter - more faithful to the source. I used to experiment a lot in those hardware days...

But the difference is that neither of those machines had sampling rates whose nyquist frequency was higher than the threshold of human hearing.

There are other variables involved, of course. If you are actually using a 96k A/D stage, it will probably perform best if it is operating at 96k. But there are plenty of 44.1 and 48k DACs which can generally outperform 96k converters.

Also, in certain cases it actually does make sense to sample at 96k - studies have shown that humans can detect a difference in certain sounds like cymbals, which can typically create energy up to 100KHz. Even though we can't detect these frequencies directly, we can tell when they aren't there.

Anyway, you're kidding yourself if you think that you could tell the difference between an 808 kick sampled at 44.1KHz and one sampled at 96k. The bit depth is actually a lot more pertinent, an 808 kick can contain good amount of transient information.

[kmonkey]

Wow.....that 808 BD samples are very very good. Looking forward to see 909. Its my fav. and in future i will buy this one beautful machine....

[Spaceman Sounds]

Also, in certain cases it actually does make sense to sample at 96k - studies have shown that humans can detect a difference in certain sounds like cymbals, which can typically create energy up to 100KHz. Even though we can't detect these frequencies directly, we can tell when they aren't there.

What they are hearing are the harmonic frequencies of those sounds. Thos harmonics give us a lot more information than we take credit for.

i'm a big believer in working at 88.2/96khz for vsti fx and soft synths, but if you're not actually pitch shifting samples then 24bit 44khz will do just fine.

[syn7h]

Thanky you, TobWen !
This is actually the best 808 bassdrum I've ever downloaded from the web.
keep up the nice work.

[jupiter8]

That's because at bigger frequencies, sampling resolution is bigger and the sinewave of an analog bass is more sinewave than at lower sampling frequencies. Pure logic.

Logic or no logic , that statement simply isn't true.
Someone needs to read up on the Nyquist theory.

[Polite Company]

ahhhh....found it, try this site http://www.tr-808.com/

That's the one. I downloaded those a while ago and they sound pretty good. Of course I don't have the genuine article to compare.

I would agree that it is a bit odd to sample from a emulation because most of the emu just used samples of the original box anyway so it is pretty much just sampling a sample.

[DuX]

How is this comming along TobWen? Did you quit doing the whole kit?