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machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:24 am

ammoniad wrote:Au contrair. On the VAC website (some time ago) Bryan posted that they had "surpassed the Masters..Skinny Puppy".

Yeah, he's a bit of an asshole, but I like his newer albums better than Skinny Puppy's newer ones. Bryan was a junkie for a long time, he sez he's quit, that plus the fact I like his new stuff, makes it easy for me to forget that he said some stupid shit.

My favorite Skinny Puppy protege is Allied Vision, but he gets zero attention from the goth/industrial crowd.....

http://www.allied-vision.com/

PTV · Post by **PTV** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:38 am

My favorite Skinny album is "Cleanse, Fold and Manipulate"
and their favorite song is "First Aid".

ammoniad · Post by **ammoniad** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:47 am

PTV wrote:My favorite Skinny album is "Cleanse, Fold and Manipulate"
and their favorite song is "First Aid".

Truthfully, Puppy is always a bit of hit or miss. I really liked C F and M, but I did not like Too Dark Park very much. The more experimental songs don't do it for me as much as the more regular songs.

ammoniad · Post by **ammoniad** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:52 am

the_nihilist wrote:
ammoniad wrote:
the_nihilist wrote:
kodama wrote:
ammoniad wrote:Velvet Acid Christ thinks they sound like Puppy.

Ermm, then they are sadly mistaken.
I don't think Bryan Erickson ever said that...
the_nililist wrote:

Au contrair. On the VAC website (some time ago) Bryan posted that they had "surpassed the Masters..Skinny Puppy".
I agree with the Gridlock and Coil recommendations, and I would though in the first two Haujobb discs as Puppy-esk.

I found Bryans rants more fun than his music...in a "Mariah Cary, stream of bullshit to my fans". I guess every scene needs
a crazy man to howl at the world.

Mac Hine · Post by **Mac Hine** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:27 am

If you like Skinny puppy, I recommend two bands for you:

Necro facility:
http://www.progress-productions.com/main.shtml
Listen the downstairs. It sounds lot like an old puppy.

Interlace:
http://www.designforanewbreed.com/#

More modern sounding than Necro facility. One of the most exiting new comers.

tshear23 · Post by **tshear23** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:03 am

I second (or third) the recommendations for the first Gridlock and Haujobb albums as being somewhat Puppy-esque. I seem to remember Placebo Effect being pretty Puppy-like too. Hell, there was a time back in the early 90's where it seemed like every other band was trying to be Puppy, but none of them really measured up in my opinion. Puppy is really one of those one of a kind bands... You might want to check out some old Cabaret Voltaire as well, as some of their really early stuff was influential to Puppy and shares some common bits with the early Puppy albums... Portion Control also had some moments similar to early Puppy at times, but you probably already know that.

And yes, Erickson actually said he had surpassed Puppy productionwise. His production is good, but not PUPPY good.

VeXKoN · Post by **VeXKoN** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:47 am

-1 for either Gridlock or Haujobb sounding like the puppy. Neither capture ogre's haunting voice or key's keys!

VeXKoN · Post by **VeXKoN** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:54 am

I enjoy VAC if I'm in the right mood, but thier production styles are far distanced in order to be compared. For one Puppy's vocal lines are always up front and VAC's are always background textural. That alone makes for totally different production environment. In my view 'the greater wrong' has great production, but nothing can beat the production on the 'process'. Rediculously good for such busy songs, and it was done in 95! SP were always ahead of their time. Few bands can humble me, and they are one.

dystonia_ek · Post by **dystonia_ek** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:50 pm

You've probably already heard the early Numb records (Numb, Christmeister, and especially Death on the Installment Plan) which are certainly in the same ballpark... Later stuff tends towards bargain-basement EBM.

If you're looking for something that takes that approach to much more extreme lengths, try Dissecting Table. 'Human Breeding', 'Life' and 'Into the Light' would be good places to start - Ichiro's discography is huge so it can be hard to know where to begin.
see here and here.

The dance aspect of Puppy (along with the vocal style) was imitated pretty widely, but there's not much out there that sounds like all the zillions of layers of concrete craziness that swarmed beneath the surface of their music... they were MASTERS of sound collage. I always preffered the bits where that aspect was pushed to the front. The disco bits are much less interesting.

dystonia_ek · Post by **dystonia_ek** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:54 pm

You could also go back and listen to people who Skinny Puppy imitated when they were starting out: Portion Control (check their single 'Chew You To Bits' from '82... 'Smothered Hope' is a direct ripoff of this song), Early Cab Voltaire (while they were still a trio, 1976-81), Throbbing Gristle, Esplendor Geometrico (early 80's period), early Chrome (as Rurik pointed out above - 'Half Machine Lip Moves' and 'Alien Soundtracks', while very different in overall style, certainly left their mark on Puppy).

Phospheric · Post by **Phospheric** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:17 pm

I've never really 'got' SP like i probably should have, they have they're moments but they never really grabbed me like some stuff has and nothing i can think of really sounds like them.

You could probably do worse than listening to some earlish Dive. Maybe some Wumpscut? Though that might be more stompy and mechanical than your looking for.

Just avoid all of the Harsh EBM/Hellektro/whatever stuff.

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:38 pm

VeXKoN wrote:In my view 'the greater wrong' has great production, but nothing can beat the production on the 'process'.

waah! w/o wishing to disrespect whomever actually did this production..

i found gwotr's production comparatively vapid.. stacks of minor chords and timestretches but doesn't capture essence like low tech analog mixes of cf+m.. the timbres of gwotr are more conventional.. distorted synth percussion, analog bleeps from everywhere..

so for me i say nurse with wound et al., severed head's tape loop stuff ~more concordant. good for me eh :p

if you've never really got sp, wait til you've had a lungful of stagnant industrial memes, turn out the lights and play 'dogshit' very loud and have someone set off a flash timed with the big bang at the beginning :p

very pure, very strong consciousness.

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:59 pm

Gridlock's first album is worthy, as is a lot of other stuff mentioned here... but it still doesn't sound like SP to me.

I'll think something sounds like SP, and then I'll go back and listen to a couple SP albums and it's like a breath of... well, not fresh air exactly is it?

I guess SP fans know what I mean.

jackson · Post by **jackson** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:08 pm

The only Skinny Puppy I really got into was a recording call "the lost tapes". That shit blew me away when I heard it, oh, about 10 years ago. Could never find it since, and can only find vague references on the net. Was it really a rare set of recordings I got a bootleg of, or something else?

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:17 pm

there's been several releases over the years of old tape material - 'back and forth/fourth'/'brap' - http://www.subconsciousstudios.com maybe nettwerk ?

Bands Resembling Skinny Puppy