What sequencer do you use to score video with (and why?)

[Mr. Tunes]

Funny though how after such a thorough training and 8 years of tinkering with electronic music I still have some extremely rudimentary questions that I ask from time to time(and I ask it on this forum!).

Why didn't you go for 4 years?

It was a 1 year program. Prior I spent 3 years at a normal university arts program studying politics and media. I didn't want to spend even more of my youth holed up in a school especially since I knew that audio and scoring would be best learned by getting out there and working.

[RTaylor]

Once you're completely familiar with the process of visual sweetening, it doesn't matter what you use for the tools as long as the basics are there (visual sync) everything else is dependent on if you plan to work at a facility, or isolated on your island.
The whole point I was (really poorly stretching) for (while trying to remain somewhat silly) is that probably even the current tools spuddle has/knows can be used to sweeten visuals.
The real power tools such as ADR are written for specific hosts.
In my pointed little head the main tools needed, depending on where you want to limit your work to (there's a can-o-worms) is any editor that can be lock-stepped to a visual stream.
The majority of the work is creative. The tools makes it happen, sometimes faster, sometimes not. Use what you're comfortable using and at least the part where you have to really learn a new workflow (stifling the 'creative',btw)
can be reduced to a minimum.

I did mention that back there somewhere. I had the impression that he wanted to assemble stuff. Probably mistaken...

So to spuddle I say... spuddle, you need to learn the process first. Choosing the tools then becomes really easy. If you desire to work with a visual director or facility, use their tools.

Yeah.

(btw, I attracted chicks with my personality, cause my looks shure is lacking the stick did nothing for me- dimmit )

Heve you tried an SG?

[RTaylor]

It was a 1 year program. Prior I spent 3 years at a normal university arts program studying politics and media.

Oh. No degree?

I didn't want to spend even more of my youth holed up in a school especially since I knew that audio and scoring would be best learned by getting out there and working.

I liked school. I'd still be there if I had the cash.

I'm not sure that the latter is always true. I think you need a little of both and you need to learn most of it on your own. Shops generally teach "their way".

[Mr. Tunes]

It was a 1 year program. Prior I spent 3 years at a normal university arts program studying politics and media.

Oh. No degree?

I didn't want to spend even more of my youth holed up in a school especially since I knew that audio and scoring would be best learned by getting out there and working.

I liked school. I'd still be there if I had the cash.
I'm not sure that the latter is always true. I think you need a little of both and you need to learn most of it on your own. Shops generally teach "their way".

No I have a B.A. in Political Science and a certficate diploma in Sound Design. It's true you need a bit of both but that's what's good about 1 or 2 year programs. If I were to have done it over again I would've done my B.A. in Music History and Film not Politics.

Shops do teach 'their' way but I do freelance work where it's my way!

[RTaylor]

If I were to have done it over again I would've done my B.A. in Music History and Film not Politics.

History? If I could do it over, I'd probably do the same. I had enough leeway to get the courses I wanted. Painting/Drawing/Art History's about the best basis to build on that I can think of. Most everything else is simply a matter of technique. Film {other than history} is too pricey.

What had you intended to do with poli-sci? Run for office? Two sequencers in every garage?

[John Vulich]

If it mattered so much then how come the best post-audio for film facilities run pro tools?

Why do Hollywood studios pay 100s of millions of dollars just to produce the total crap that these studios service? Do you really think that there are brains and logic at work with the main bulk of any industry decisions? Just because something is commonly done, or used, does not in and of itself make it any good. It just means that it's become "institutionalized" behavior.

[RTaylor]

If it mattered so much then how come the best post-audio for film facilities run pro tools?

Why do Hollywood studios pay 100s of millions of dollars just to produce the total crap that these studios service? Just because something is commonly done, or used, does not in and of itself make it any good. It just means that it's become "institutionalized" behavior.

Hollywood quality is bad?

[John Vulich]

Hollywood quality is bad?

I really hope that you're being sarcastic.

[Mr. Tunes]

What had you intended to do with poli-sci? Run for office? Two sequencers in every garage?

LOL that would make for a great song title. I ended up in a Poli-Sci major sort of by default. A lot of other kids defaulted with similar majors like Sociology. The reason is cause if you're forced to pick a major you're not going to end up in something as defined as Economics or Biology but Poli-Sci/Soc/HIS are ones that people can deal with even if they're not totally into it.

I know this is a little OT but it's an interesting issue cause by the time I finished the B.A. I was like "damn! I really want to write music for film and video games, that's all I want to do". And since I was more immersed in my music at home than in my studies at school I was well prepped to head into things. The B.A. actually bought me three years to work on music ironically and I had no professors telling me how good music is supposed to be written.

[RTaylor]

Hollywood quality is bad?

I really hope that you're being sarcastic.

Not at all. I can't say that the content of what goes onto a Hollywood DVD is always something I like but the quality is generally good to excellent.

[deaf dunderkwac]

If it mattered so much then how come the best post-audio for film facilities run pro tools?

Why do Hollywood studios pay 100s of millions of dollars just to produce the total crap that these studios service? Just because something is commonly done, or used, does not in and of itself make it any good. It just means that it's become "institutionalized" behavior.

Hollywood quality is bad?

The point Johm is making is that Pro-tools is the autocad of the audio industry.

my degree is in electrical engineering btw and I absolutely thought school was a waste of time analogous to the military. When I was 'of the age' the only credable recording school was in Germany.

[Mr. Tunes]

If it mattered so much then how come the best post-audio for film facilities run pro tools?

Why do Hollywood studios pay 100s of millions of dollars just to produce the total crap that these studios service? Do you really think that there are brains and logic at work with the main bulk of any industry decisions? Just because something is commonly done, or used, does not in and of itself make it any good. It just means that it's become "institutionalized" behavior.

Yes I know but that was just in reference to the waveforms disappearing while you drag them. Sure there's a whole lemmings culture with Pro Tools but I was just trying to make a point that if the waveform disappear was so bad then I garuntee you these studios would trash the program.

Many big studios follow the leader, but there are also other great studios who stick up for what they think is good - an example is a very nice place in Vancouver called Pinewood Sound. I can't even remember the name of the sequencer they chose to run! Pro Tools was giving them a hard time and they said screw it.

[RTaylor]

What had you intended to do with poli-sci? Run for office? Two sequencers in every garage?

LOL that would make for a great song title. I ended up in a Poli-Sci major sort of by default. A lot of other kids defaulted with similar majors like Sociology. The reason is cause if you're forced to pick a major you're not going to end up in something as defined as Economics or Biology but Poli-Sci/Soc/HIS are ones that people can deal with even if they're not totally into it.

Go for it.

I knew what I wanted by the time I got into school. Poli-sci was just fun on the side and a way to kill off those electives. I considered other forms but I really wasn't all that thrilled with photography and film, back then, was FILM. You had to have major parental funding or a decent day job to afford it. Graphics have always been my main focus anyway. You can do ten times as much with paint as you can most media.

I know this is a little OT but it's an interesting issue cause by the time I finished the B.A. I was like "damn! I really want to write music for film and video games, that's all I want to do". And since I was more immersed in my music at home than in my studies at school I was well prepped to head into things. The B.A. actually bought me three years to work on music ironically and I had no professors telling me how good music is supposed to be written.

The guy that started it signed off a while back. Once computers came along, I decided animation was an attainable goal. With most programs today it's pretty easy. Even with the programs available back in the '9os it wasn't all that tough. Music's just always been an interest... computers make that a lot easier too... Now my focus is multimedia.

Professors can be a good thing...

[RTaylor]

If it mattered so much then how come the best post-audio for film facilities run pro tools?

Why do Hollywood studios pay 100s of millions of dollars just to produce the total crap that these studios service? Just because something is commonly done, or used, does not in and of itself make it any good. It just means that it's become "institutionalized" behavior.

Hollywood quality is bad?

The point Johm is making is that Pro-tools is the autocad of the audio industry.

I know that. It's also the most compatible and extremely usable. I know that a lot of people out there hate the program because it represents the "entrenched". That's really no reason to discount it though.

my degree is in electrical engineering btw and I absolutely thought school was a waste of time analogous to the military. When I was 'of the age' the only credable recording school was in Germany.

Sorry. I considered electronics and industrial design one day for about 3 minutes. I'd already worked too many jobs and had too many architecture/drafting {triangle, t-square} classes to want to make a career at that sort of thing.

[John Vulich]

If it mattered so much then how come the best post-audio for film facilities run pro tools?

Why do Hollywood studios pay 100s of millions of dollars just to produce the total crap that these studios service? Do you really think that there are brains and logic at work with the main bulk of any industry decisions? Just because something is commonly done, or used, does not in and of itself make it any good. It just means that it's become "institutionalized" behavior.

Yes I know but that was just in reference to the waveforms disappearing while you drag them. Sure there's a whole lemmings culture with Pro Tools but I was just trying to make a point that if the waveform disappear was so bad then I garuntee you these studios would trash the program.

Like I said, I think that it's become institutionalized. I mean, lets get real here. Your logic really doesn't "wash". There is so much of a monetary and training investment in these tools, that I doubt that it would really be practical or realistic to dump Pro Tools just because of one missing feature. That doesn't mean that the given feature has no merit. To some extent, Digidesign is so deeply entrenched, that they can afford to be a tad bit behind the curve in these matters.