What sequencer do you use to score video with (and why?)

[deaf dunderkwac]

Sorry. I considered electronics and industrial design one day for about 3 minutes. I'd already worked too many jobs and had too many architecture/drafting {triangle, t-square} classes to want to make a career at that sort of thing.

But I wanted to design studios as much as I wanted to work in them (and I did both, including multi-media design... funny how life takes you in different directions)
I'd worked as a studio and stage musician as a kid and was already fully-entrenched in that reguard.

[John Vulich]

Hollywood quality is bad?

I really hope that you're being sarcastic.

Not at all. I can't say that the content of what goes onto a Hollywood DVD is always something I like but the quality is generally good to excellent.

Ahhh, it's a semantic argument then... content vs. context.

[RTaylor]

Hollywood quality is bad?

I really hope that you're being sarcastic.

Not at all. I can't say that the content of what goes onto a Hollywood DVD is always something I like but the quality is generally good to excellent.

Ahhh, it's a semantic argument then... content vs. context.

Content versus sound quality.

[RTaylor]

Sorry. I considered electronics and industrial design one day for about 3 minutes. I'd already worked too many jobs and had too many architecture/drafting {triangle, t-square} classes to want to make a career at that sort of thing.

But I wanted to design studios as much as I wanted to work in them (and I did both, including multi-media design... funny how life takes you in different directions)
I'd worked as a studio and stage musician as a kid and was already fully-entrenched in that reguard.

OK. I don't get it but, if that's what gets you off...

I'm really just interested in creating the content.

[John Vulich]

Ahhh, it's a semantic argument then... content vs. context.

Content versus sound quality.

I think that my exchange here pertained to films overall, not just audio.

[RTaylor]

Ahhh, it's a semantic argument then... content vs. context.

Content versus sound quality.

I think that my exchange here pertained to films overall, not just audio.

I like a lot of new Hollywood Films. I like old Hollywood films more but I think that's because I'm addicted to black and white. I like foreign films more than either. They offer me a view of the world that I'm not so familiar with and many of them have values that appeal to me much more than Hollywoods.

To be honest though, I think Hollywood's always turned out a goodly percentage of crap... We just brush it off to the side and forget about it. How often has someone mentioned "Attack of the Giant Leeches" to you recently?

Hollywood's production quality these days is exceptional.

[bullshark]

Hollywood's production quality these days is exceptional.

FWIW, I agree with that statement. I am amazed at the sound quality, the mix and placement of dialog, folley work and music everytime I go to the cine or rent a DVD. Photography work is also amazing from a technical standpoint, even B rated movies achieve a consistent look from start to finnish nowadays. It's a quality level I strive to achieve but probably never will no matter how hard I try.

Scenarios are another matter altogether, what amaze me with those is how bad and unimaginative they are. Most of the junk coming from Hollywood seems to have been written by twelve years old geeks who never came out of their moma's basement due to acute acne breakout. How they can even produce, and release, movies with enormous budget such as, say, "Revenge of the Sith" with a scenario that's so incredibly bad is completely beyond me.

[Mr. Tunes]

I honestly didn't know how good Hollywood films sounded until I started learning about sound design. And I think the majority of film viewers are also oblivious to the detail in the sound effects when they go to a film(as they can also be oblivious to certain CG graphics going on too). Not only are the big post studios doing great stuff, but man these crews do it FAST! And on television they work even FASTER! It's nuts.

Scenarios are another matter altogether, what amaze me with those is how bad and unimaginative they are.

Right well on top of the repetitive writing process we are also seeing a repetitive composition process; picking from the same pool of composers every film, with the same motif(hans!). Look out for folks like Michael Giacchino, Harry Gregson-Williams and Jon Brion in coming years!

[bullshark]

I honestly didn't know how good Hollywood films sounded until I started learning about sound design. And I think the majority of film viewers are also oblivious to the detail in the sound effects when they go to a film(as they can also be oblivious to certain CG graphics going on too).

I must not be most viewer...You know, I bought the film "Troy" just so I could listen to the scene between Paris and Hector on the boat on the way back from Sparta. I must have listened to that scene 150 times and I still can't figure out how they did the sound, how the dialog and foley work seems to follow camera movement. I know the sounds are fake, but my mind still gets fooled, amazing.

Not only are the big post studios doing great stuff, but man these crews do it FAST! And on television they work even FASTER! It's nuts.

I know, and given a year to do a single scene I still wouldn't be able to achieve what they do in a few weeks for a whole film. Those guys deserve more credits.

[Pipelineaudio]

I know that. It's also the most compatible and extremely usable. I know that a lot of people out there hate the program because it represents the "entrenched". That's really no reason to discount it though.

We need to come to an understanding in terms here.

COmpatiable to me means it will work with other things

You can plug a Neve 33609 compressor into an SSL patchbay

100% compatiable

You can open vegas and samplitude projects in reaper

AV convert can make nearly any format work in vegas

EDL convert pro can make projects go between sonar, cubendo, vegas and others

that compatibility

PT introduces OMF, which many apps can use

Guess what, PT doesnt even open digi's OWN FRIGGIN OMF FORMAT!!!! You gotta pay for that as an add on!

Without a limited adapter you cant run vst or dx in PT, and its function has SEVERE limitations

so, 99.99999999999999999999999999999% of apps can ue the same plugins, and probably 50% can pretty easily transfer projects one to another

neither of these includes PT

funny definition of compatiable

but if you mean, which software is the most compatiable among conservatory kids, then yes, that would be PT

but in NO WAY is PT compatiable with anything other than PT

lets look at the controllers

what does the icon control? PT

anything else?

nope?

Control 24? PT

thats it

so when Behringer makes their PT copy, you just got a paperweight of a desk

Now the SSL AWS? Controls PT, general MIDI and others, and once you got general MIDI you got it all. Oh and its an actual mixer too! With goodies even

Yamaha DM and others: PT, General MIDI, cubendo, etc. And its a mixer too, well..

and on it goes

I guess compatiable means different things to different people

[RTaylor]

Hollywood's production quality these days is exceptional.

FWIW, I agree with that statement. I am amazed at the sound quality, the mix and placement of dialog, folley work and music everytime I go to the cine or rent a DVD. Photography work is also amazing from a technical standpoint, even B rated movies achieve a consistent look from start to finnish nowadays. It's a quality level I strive to achieve but probably never will no matter how hard I try.

They've been working the bugs out for ages and have equipment that's been refined and improved for years.

Why not? You've got digital.

Scenarios are another matter altogether, what amaze me with those is how bad and unimaginative they are. Most of the junk coming from Hollywood seems to have been written by twelve years old geeks who never came out of their moma's basement due to acute acne breakout. How they can even produce, and release, movies with enormous budget such as, say, "Revenge of the Sith" with a scenario that's so incredibly bad is completely beyond me.

I'm blaming much of that on the whole "anti-art" sensibilities of recent years. Neither a social consciousness nor depth are considered "cool" these days.

Now, nobody's holding the profit-mongers back.

[RTaylor]

I honestly didn't know how good Hollywood films sounded until I started learning about sound design. And I think the majority of film viewers are also oblivious to the detail in the sound effects when they go to a film(as they can also be oblivious to certain CG graphics going on too). Not only are the big post studios doing great stuff, but man these crews do it FAST! And on television they work even FASTER! It's nuts.

Dump a couple of hundred million into anything and you can probably pick it up "next day".

The Matrix series took many years. Star Wars films take a year just to build the hype. Lots of crap gets done overnight.

I suppose good stuff does just jump into the camera once in a very great while but that's a rarity.

The real good stuff still takes work, introspection, time and effort.

See everyone's complaints about Hollywood films.

When was the last time you saw anything on television {other than House} that was worth watching? Good quality... stupid content. They serve up gimmicks, the celebrity of the day, pointless stories and infantile twaddle. They just use pricey cameras to do it with.

[RTaylor]

I guess compatiable means different things to different people

It means it works with the equipment and file formats that count.

[Pipelineaudio]

I guess compatiable means different things to different people

It means it works with the equipment and file formats that count.

Thats odd, I cant seem to find the Seargant Pepper's *.pts files floating around the net, nor the Black Sabbath ones

You'd think theyd be around, but maybe the beatles and sabbath just werent important. I understand now, all other equipment, software and recording formats are unimportant. All that past stuff was just rubbish for us to play make believe with until this one particular, totally proprietary, always late to the party hardware/software system came out

[RTaylor]

I guess compatiable means different things to different people

It means it works with the equipment and file formats that count.

Thats odd, I cant seem to find the Seargant Pepper's *.pts files floating around the net, nor the Black Sabbath ones

You'd think theyd be around, but maybe the beatles and sabbath just werent important. I understand now, all other equipment, software and recording formats are unimportant. All that past stuff was just rubbish for us to play make believe with until this one particular, totally proprietary, always late to the party hardware/software system came out

How you managed to read that into my text just plumb evades me.

If they'd have had Pro-tools... they'd have used it.

{Surely, you don't see George Martin using Cubase.}