Behringer V-Verb Pro - a real Lexicon and TC Killer ?

[waiting man]

here's the pdf of the MusicTech review.
http://www.musictechmag.co.uk/mtm/downl ... ro-rev2496

[Klemperer]

muchas gracias por, err, thanks for that link! Can't afford anything like this, even Behringer, now, but this article will be saved in my "new temptations"-folder .

[Jason Brian Merrill]

I can remember more.
it has a mixed technology. they are irs but they're modelled, not captured.
two processes, one for the early reflection and the other for the rest (tail, etc.)

the mag remains a mistery, though.

mixed tecnology is more appealing to me than either one alone.

[hifiboom]

I can remember more.
it has a mixed technology. they are irs but they're modelled, not captured.
two processes, one for the early reflection and the other for the rest (tail, etc.)

the mag remains a mistery, though.

this may be true. I don't know, cause I am not a Behringer engineer.

And I also don't like to argue with anyone here in the forum...

At least I am a reverb geek and searched for a long time for an affordable reverb unit...

I never was too lucky in the software department.

One weak ago a found that this Behringer unit is out since 2 years and has good reviews...

I found a shop where it only costs 130€, so I just ordered it.
My thought was: if I am not satsfied, I would sell it on ebay for 100€.

But I was impressed more than I expected....

It seems that many Presets are modeled after 960L and bigger sized TC units...

The presets also have names that implict this theory...

For example some Presets: Church 960, Small 4000, ....

I've found a review through the internet where the reviewer said, a PCM 90 would sound more deep.
The reviewer judges this as a drawback, in fact the PCM90 sounds more dark, but I am sure it also sounds darker than the 960L.

So it depends on what you want...


If I compare the presets form the Behringer with 960 impulses and PCM90 impulses, it definitly comes closer t what the 960 impulses sound like, so I am sure they modeled after the higher end machines...

Of course a real Lexicon 960L may be better than this unit, but hey the price is only 130€. You only get crap for that amount of money from other firms...

And the Behringer definitly is a full featured extremly high-quality reverberator.

Maybe the sound is slightly other than a M3000, M4000, 960L and Quantec Yardstick, but the soundquality is in the same league.

And it fits really good into mixes without making it too mudddy.
The wet and dry perfectly comes together, and you cannot destinguish between the effect and the dry signal.

I just want to let you guys know that this tool is very cool.

If you buy it or not, thats not my problem...

I had good purposes, when creating that topic, and I wanted to aid people which are in front of deciding for a reverb unit an which one.
But if I only get cheeky answers, I'll stop this here and end up enyoing this unit on my own...



Just wanted to share my fascination with others that have interest.

Best regards...

[snooky]

you got such replies cause you got by sounding like a "OMG it's teh L337 Reverbz0rs" and that's not cool imo....no pro will take a v-verb over a tc/lexicon highend box...and that's what you implied...just a stupid topic, altho your intention was good.

[hifiboom]

you got such replies cause you got by sounding like a "OMG it's teh L337 Reverbz0rs" and that's not cool imo....no pro will take a v-verb over a tc/lexicon highend box...and that's what you implied...just a stupid topic, altho your intention was good.

maybe my Topic is misleading....

I am not quite sure if this unit is on par with a 960L,
(and I will never know, because I won't buy this pro-uni)

but if you remember the price for both units the V-Verb is the ultra-clearly winner.

I am sure this unit will find its way too many pro studios, because there is no "this is the best reverb".

It depends on where and how u use it...

[Kingston]

I won't get into this fight.

But having hear those demos, it's extremely clear what the convolution reverbs are. The behringer definitely smokes them. Although the comparison is stupid, as any good algorithmic reverb should smoke convolution hands down. But hearing such a clean difference between the best impulses (IMO those L960 ones are really good) vs. the v-verb... well I'm impressed.

and the v-verb seems to have a very TC-ish sound. Kind of lab clean, but very dense. I look forward to giving it a try.



I still think behringer should rot in hell with all the blatant cloning they have done.

[hifiboom]

here is a preset called "SmoothCastle" which I like most for big size simulations

at the beginning total dry, later the wet comes in up to 30-40%, somtimes I switch the unit to bypass, so you get a feeling how good the hall illusion is. At the end I have shortend the decay time a little bit and changed the ER/Late proportions...

http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb/my%20baby.wma

I love it, the sound is soooo smooth and lush, it sounds so perfect.

@Kingston: it seems to sound like the best from Tc and Lexicon together in one Box and the result even sounds more realistic....

There are also parameters to randomize the sound..

second is Cypress Hill in a Hall
first dry, then with ~50% wet level.
at 20%-30% wet, the impression for that preset is the most realistic one (which I get to at the end)
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... 20good.wma

Perfect Room/Hall impression.

Of course it won't make Christina Aquilera from Britney Spears...

[orabidoo]

...anyway,a lot of software is overpriced...

[hifiboom]

a lot of hardware too ...

[original flipper]

HI

I haven't (and will not be) listerning to the demo files posted here - what I will say though, is that the Behringer is a 4 channel beastie with a variety of routing configurations including parallel and dual stereo.

If anyone has ever tried routing a sound through 2 even half decent reverbs you will know how impressive a sound you can (with care) create.

One of the big and IMO underused secrets with much software is the lack of routing and configuration possibilities - it really makes a difference.

Flipper.

[Kingston]

@Kingston: it seems to sound like the best from Tc and Lexicon together in one Box and the result even sounds more realistic....

I seriously doubt this. This far the examples have been somewhat on par with IK CSR, which is nice, especially nice for the price and the fully featured IO. you could get two of these and it would still be cheaper than the CSR. I don't know better, but this is starting to look attractive.

[aMUSEd]

Me too - and it has other effects.

[Kingston]

But: The sound is on par or better than any impulses sampled from these units (at least the hundrets I got)

I'm sure the real units do not sound too much better, so the V-Verb will be on par with them...

The real units sound so much f**king better than those impulses. There's just no way one could mistake the sound of the hardware to those IRs. They aren't the same thing at all and I'm surprised you would even imply this since you claim to be the reverb maniac.

In light of this I have hard time taking reverb recommendations from you. Good thing you posted those demos as they really do seem to sound good.

Just back off with the hyping a little, will ya?

[snooky]

those demos does sound good, but there's a big difference on putting a reverb on a whole mix thus getting reverb from a mastered track with maximum freq content versus a dry snare...the whole mix will of course generate a big dense reverberation, while a snare won't...not convinced.