KVR Audio

jammer42777 · Post by **jammer42777** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:10 pm

Why is it that there is such a shortage of granular effects?
There seems to be more freeware effects that commercial grade.

Why is this?
Or is the granular effect listed as a filter in those 'filterbox' plugs (eg. camelphat)

Also is izotope's spectron capable of granular effects?
What software would U reccomend?
thanx
--Joshua

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:16 pm

http://www.koen.smartelectronix.com/KTGranulator/
This one is pretty cool.Free as well.

I believe there is little mass appeal in granular effects.That's why there is only a few enthusiasts that care enough to actually program a granular plugin.
The money simply isn't there.

jammer42777 · Post by **jammer42777** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:21 pm

fair enough,
thanx!

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:31 pm

Heizenbox is a commercial granular effect. So is Crusher-X (it's a combo effect/sampler/synth). In commercial synths, there's at least Maelstrom in Resaon and Symptohm:Melohman (and a graintable module in Vaz Modular).

I think granular effects especially took off in modular environments like Reaktor, Max, and PD, as well as several native modules in apps like Audiomulch and Bidule and stuff floating about in Csound, Synthedit, etc. Add on to that freeware like KTGranulator, particlecloud, Grainz, etc, and you get to a point where the market could be saturated for granular-only plugins. I think it's a useful technique that probably will just be integrated into bigger frameworks.

CC4 · Post by **CC4** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:08 pm

and GranuLab:
http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Granny.htm

cron · Post by **cron** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:13 pm

Grainmill is an excellent offline granulator also, if a little idiosyncratic. I've still found nothing which can generate such dense grain clouds.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:51 pm

cron wrote:Grainmill is an excellent offline granulator also, if a little idiosyncratic. I've still found nothing which can generate such dense grain clouds.

I find Audiomulch's Bubbleblower does a fine job for dense clouds. One thing with Grainmill, I always have to mix down files to mono to use it (where most files I have about about tend to be stereo), which irritates me after a while.

dystonia_ek · Post by **dystonia_ek** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:57 pm

Bubbleblower is, indeed, good for dense clouds. As is crusherX (hint: increase the number of generators to the maximum your CPU can handle).

fabi · Post by **fabi** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:07 pm

i've got heizenbox and lucifer2, which can also do some granular stuff.

ludifer2 has a nice amount of features, heizenbox has a nice gui and is simple to use. i like them both.

PTV · Post by **PTV** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:09 pm

shaman allready mentioned it, particlecloud. It's a great free plug for this stuff.
http://www.martin-brinkmann.de/plugs.html

cron · Post by **cron** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:09 pm

shamann wrote:
cron wrote:Grainmill is an excellent offline granulator also, if a little idiosyncratic. I've still found nothing which can generate such dense grain clouds.
I find Audiomulch's Bubbleblower does a fine job for dense clouds. One thing with Grainmill, I always have to mix down files to mono to use it (where most files I have about about tend to be stereo), which irritates me after a while.

Ahh. I hadn't encountered this problem as I've only used my own (mono) recordings in it so far.

Incidentally, you've touched on one of my most longed for missing features among granulators. True stereo granulation. Almost all granulators I've encountered mix the signal to mono at the input and then scatter that around. The only granulator I've found which preserves the spatial qualities of the input is one of the modules included with the PC version of Cecilia for Csound (I forget which one). I pulled off some interesting distortions of binaural spaces with it.

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:15 pm

jammer42777 wrote:Why is it that there is such a shortage of granular effects?
There seems to be more freeware effects that commercial grade.

Why is this?
Or is the granular effect listed as a filter in those 'filterbox' plugs (eg. camelphat)

Also is izotope's spectron capable of granular effects?
What software would U reccomend?
thanx
--Joshua

There's actually quite a lot of granular plugs. Maybe not commercial, but what difference does it make? Seems like a very strange attitude coming from someone who has...

"Pay $400 for a sequencer? ummm... no
I'm going to have to disagree with you there..."

in their sig.

Anyway, my favorites are...

Splonki, flitchSplifter and sloper by ioplong

KTGranulator by Koen Tanghe

But... normally I use Reaktor for granular stuff. I also use the Simple sampler, in Ableton Live, for a lot of granular sounds. I just use automation clips to manipulate the loop start and length. Works great.

IMO, if you're serious about incorporating granular FX into your compositions Reaktor is really a great tool to use.

blortblort · Post by **blortblort** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:48 pm

John Vulich wrote:...I also use the Simple sampler, in Ableton Live, for a lot of granular sounds. I just use automation clips to manipulate the loop start and length. Works great.

Absolutely

...Simpler's name belies it's capability when you combine all the other Live goodies, like clip automation...

powerful stuff.

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:30 pm

cron wrote:you've touched on one of my most longed for missing features among granulators. True stereo granulation. Almost all granulators I've encountered mix the signal to mono at the input and then scatter that around.

i'm not worthy, muchacha?

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:55 pm

cron wrote:you've touched on one of my most longed for missing features among granulators. True stereo granulation. Almost all granulators I've encountered mix the signal to mono at the input and then scatter that around.

I just did a test on mnb's particlecloud, and it preserves stereo channels.

I'm also working on thing with NDC that will. And xoxos' muchacha, which I've never tried, so I'm off to do that.

granular effects (Shortage?)