Why is Logic Pro only on macs

[djsubject]

if only the mass of people would boycott logic until it came to pc.......

who's with me?

me


dose it count if i only own a PC & have no need for logic any more?

[Ildon]

If that's the case, I'm in too!

[TeeLangSun]

Hey Sascha Franck,

I've been using Logic for about 3 weeks on an imac (intel). There are plenty of things that I really like about Logic, but you mentioned audio engine and I couldn't help but think about the fact that Logic is still very prone to audio dropouts, like Sonar, where the playback simply stops and you get a message that you have to click through before getting the playback started again. I've found enough about Logic that I still know that I made the right decision to invest in Logic Pro, but this dropout thing is dissappointing. I feel like Apple has had Logic long enough that they could have done something about this. I feel like if they haven't fixed this yet, then it may be because they can't. I'm currently using version 7.2.1, this update is only weeks old yet the dropouts are still there. Has nothing to do with cpu. Dropouts occur at any time, during any operation, or while doing nothing at all. So I don't find Logic's audio engine to be brilliant at all. Being able to maintain playback would seem to be among the most basic of requirements when planning to build an audio sequencer.

[ianscott111]

Apple bought Logic because they know what they are doing in business.

.. where are the benefits from apple having bought emagic?

It's appearing even in this thread:

I've become so used to Logic that I don't want to switch to any other sequencer. Now that I know I'm going to be getting a Mac though, I might as well take advantage of other Mac only programs that I've been wanting to use, such as Metasynth.

From my perspective, Apple has definately benefited itself by buying Emagic because it has (forced me) to make my decision to buy a Mac for my next computer.

I understand that there are other sequencers available for PC, however, the people who say that X host is better than Logic are simply stating an opinion. I've learned how to sequence MIDI using Logic, and I have configured it in a way that is best for me. I've tried out Energy XT (or whatever it's called), and for me, it's completely unintuitive. Being forced to create your sequencer from scratcth is not something that promotes creativity for me.

[TeeLangSun]

"Being forced to create your sequencer from scratcth is not something that promotes creativity for me."

I feel like that about Logic's environments. I have nothing against them, but I feel like I should be able to do basic stuff without bothering with them. As it is, if I want "X" number of audio tracks, they must first be allowed for in the environment. Same for rewire, auxilliary channels, multi-out instruments, etc. That's what I call creating a sequencer and it has nothing to do with logic or musical creativity. The environments should be there for complicated custom setups, not for everyday mundane tasks like, using an unlimited number of audio tracks, or using rewire. That stuff should be point and click like other sequencers.

[Sascha Franck]

I've been using Logic for about 3 weeks on an imac (intel). There are plenty of things that I really like about Logic, but you mentioned audio engine and I couldn't help but think about the fact that Logic is still very prone to audio dropouts,

This only seems to be an issue on some systems.
I know, it can really drive you mad and there's no excuse for it either. Fortunately, it never happened to me. But then, I haven't been using it on any IntelMac yet...

As it is, if I want "X" number of audio tracks, they must first be allowed for in the environment. Same for rewire, auxilliary channels, multi-out instruments, etc. That's what I call creating a sequencer and it has nothing to do with logic or musical creativity. The environments should be there for complicated custom setups, not for everyday mundane tasks like, using an unlimited number of audio tracks, or using rewire. That stuff should be point and click like other sequencers.

See, different strokes for different people.
I know you're a Cubase user, and I just passionately HATE the fact that it automatically adds a freaking bunch of channels whenever I insert a multiout VSTi. I usually only need 1-2 separate outputs, so I just don't need to see the others. I know, you can hide them in Cubase, but the first thing happening is them being added. After that you gotta hide them one by one, then click the hide button. In case you need an extra channel, you need to unhide *everything*, look for the damn channel, make it unhideable and re-hide the others. No thanks!
I just have enough channels in my Logic autoload song for the rest of my life, and whenever I need an extra VSTi output all it takes is setting one of my aux channel's inputs to the appropriate out. After that I may rearrange my mixer (something entirely impossible in Cubase), so the extra out sits where *I* want it, it's position not being forced by the sequencer.

[skipkent]

For the pc there's always MAGIX Midi Studio (Music Studio), which will give you more than enough random 'ASIO error's to help you remember why you left Logic in the first place. The fact that these things are still happening on Macs is deplorable.

Then again, enough people seem to get good work done with the program for it to have all sorts of pro endorsements.

It's too bad, because I LOVE the stock Logic synths, and the user interface has a pleasantly Gothic sort of feel to it. Someday when I have some cash to burn, I'll get a mini or a macbook and give it another go just for the fun of it.

[kuniklo]

It can't be long before this thread turns into another Mac/Logic flamewar but I will say that, having tried most of the other hosts, I can understand why some people would consider buying a new computer just to run Logic. Also, Logic on one of the new Macbooks is a lot of bang for the buck and a nice portable and capable studio. Once Live 6 is out it should be even better.

Edit: Also, Metasynth is the bomb.

[beej]

the fact that Logic is still very prone to audio dropouts, like Sonar, where the playback simply stops and you get a message that you have to click through before getting the playback started again.

There is a preference option that lets you have it either way, your choice.

And just because *you've* experienced dropouts on your system, doesn't mean Logic is "prone" to them. Rock solid here, unless I expect more performance than my machine can give me.

[beej]

As it is, if I want "X" number of audio tracks, they must first be allowed for in the environment.

This is also not true for current versions - there are options to increase the amount of tracks from the arrange page, and it automatically creates the necessary environment objects automatically.

Also, when you first set up Logic, the setup assistent let's you configure these kinds of things for you.

It sounds to me like you're basing your opinions on Logic 5, which was some years ago now. The developers haven't just been sitting on their arses, and having parties on Apple's cash, ya know.

[Lady J]

For PC you can always get Babya Logic 1.0 with UltraSynth and ESE.

http://www.download.com/Babya-Logic/300 ... 33194.html

[kkkkkkkkk]

logic 7.2.1 is finally "there"

[derek]

if you want to see something funny demo a mini, open up garageband & try to load the demo songs...

Are you talking about the ones with the shitty G4 processor, right? Because they load very smooth using a 1,66 Core Duo.

yes, now that macs are pcs the speed problems are finally gone funny how fast everyone switched from "intel is the antichrist" to "are you talking about the shitty G4 processor? get a 1,66 core duo!"

[TeeLangSun]

As it is, if I want "X" number of audio tracks, they must first be allowed for in the environment.

This is also not true for current versions - there are options to increase the amount of tracks from the arrange page, and it automatically creates the necessary environment objects automatically.

Only up to the number that has been allowed in the environment. If you add any other tracks after that, they "link" themselves to the one above it. In other words, they will output to the same mixer channel as the last track that is "legitimately represented" in the environment. If you change anything about one of the tracks, it changes the other one automatically. To fix this situation, you have to go into the environment and create a "legitimate" new track, at which point, you may route the new track you created in the arrange to this newly created audio object which now exists in the environment. That's what happened with me, and that's how I solved it. There may be some other way of getting additional channels to work, but they definately don't work by simply adding them as normal once you hit the maximum that has been set up in the environment.

Also, when you first set up Logic, the setup assistent let's you configure these kinds of things for you.

It lets you configure "some" things, not everything as far as I can tell. The set up assistant is not a replacement for the environment, or there wouldn't be any use for the environment. I'm using Logic 7.2.1. Not Logic 5, but I can't speak for what the developers are up to.

[birrbits]

if you want to see something funny demo a mini, open up garageband & try to load the demo songs...

Are you talking about the ones with the shitty G4 processor, right? Because they load very smooth using a 1,66 Core Duo.

yes, now that macs are pcs the speed problems are finally gone funny how fast everyone switched from "intel is the antichrist" to "are you talking about the shitty G4 processor? get a 1,66 core duo!"

it is amazing