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Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:40 pm

actually, i think quite the opposite. I think this tone that you are showing here would be muddy in or out of a mix.

this tone is a bit trebly, but it shows openness that i have not been able to get with freeamp

http://stashbox.org/uploads/1152733150/ ... ll%201.MP3

its using 2 very similar plexi sounds -- its just normalized in cool edit. to me, its a sort of "AC/DC" type of tone.
I will post something more metal in a bit.
EDIT: I notice i screwed up one of the chords at the end... dont pick at my playing!!! im just showing a sound... hehe.

guitarzan · Post by **guitarzan** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:13 pm

I don't really know anything about metal and all, but it seems to me you would have everything you need for the heaviest of tones by using the Warp with the Greenback cab (killer low end cab/speaker distortion and sag) in parallel with FreeAmp2 on a clean or crunch setting ("Drive" setting seem to blend into mud when mixed with Warp). Probably need to turn reverb off in FreeAmp, and turn delay down or off. Adding light chorus on FreeAmp actually sounds cool - it's like the thunderous bass is centered with the high end filtering in around the sides. Then use a parametric eq afterward to get rid of everything that doesn't sound like the magic chug tone you seek.

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:15 pm

I wasn't talking about the tone I posted, just the wall of sound practice in general. That's why I referenced other material.

Also, I don't think it's at all fair to compare FreeAmp2 to a Marshall.

Nice riff though, and I hear what you're talking about. No, I don't think you'll get that tone out of FreeAmp2....but again, if that's an actual Marshall in the mp3, then I don't think it's practical to expect that from a free virtual amp sim.

Peace

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:16 pm

TotcProductions wrote:I wasn't talking about the tone I posted, just the wall of sound practice in general. That's why I referenced other material.

Also, I don't think it's at all fair to compare FreeAmp2 to a Marshall. Nice riff though, and I hear what you're talking about. No, I don't think you'll get that tone out of FreeAmp2....but again, if that's an actual Marshall in the mp3, then I don't think it's practical to expect that from a free virtual amp sim.

Peace

no, it was podxt. not an actual marshall i should have made that clear. (it was a marshall SOUND) I have a marshall, but the preamp is busted. Sometimes i use the power amp to plug my xt into, but this was straight from the pod into my emu1212m...

recorded in reaper of course

panned hard left and right, you can isolate each one if you want just by listeninng to each side.

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:18 pm

guitarzan wrote:I don't really know anything about metal and all, but it seems to me you would have everything you need for the heaviest of tones by using the Warp with the Greenback cab (killer low end cab/speaker distortion and sag) in parallel with FreeAmp2 on a clean or crunch setting ("Drive" setting seem to blend into mud when mixed with Warp). Probably need to turn reverb off in FreeAmp, and turn delay down or off. Adding light chorus on FreeAmp actually sounds cool - it's like the thunderous bass is centered with the high end filtering in around the sides. Then use a parametric eq afterward to get rid of everything that doesn't sound like the magic chug tone you seek.

why do all this when with guitar rig or podxt you can just dial it up? No crazy routing of other plugs required????

TotcProductions · Post by **TotcProductions** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:21 pm

Jason Brian Merrill wrote:
TotcProductions wrote:I wasn't talking about the tone I posted, just the wall of sound practice in general. That's why I referenced other material.

Also, I don't think it's at all fair to compare FreeAmp2 to a Marshall. Nice riff though, and I hear what you're talking about. No, I don't think you'll get that tone out of FreeAmp2....but again, if that's an actual Marshall in the mp3, then I don't think it's practical to expect that from a free virtual amp sim.

Peace
no, it was podxt. not an actual marshall i should have made that clear. (it was a marshall SOUND)

okie dokie...still though, I doubt you'll get that tone out of the FreeAmp2....still think it's unfair to compare it to the PodXT though.

hehehe, just for fun: a virtual simulation of a crappy metal garage band

Ok, Good commentary here. Well done everybody...emotions were kept relatively low, and we ended up coming to some sort of a conclusion. I'm so proud of us!

I gotta get back to work on my NSL project....Otherwise I'll miss the deadline.

Peace

guitarzan · Post by **guitarzan** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:27 pm

Jason Brian Merrill wrote:why do all this when with guitar rig or podxt you can just dial it up? No crazy routing of other plugs required????

Well, if you want an off the shelf "every dipshit in GC" type of tone - go for it. It really isn't manual labor to turn a few knobs to find the tone YOU want. That eXT rig took all of 5 minutes to assemble.

advaya · Post by **advaya** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:59 pm

guitarzan wrote:

Fun! I am assuming that's eXT right?

I might have to demo it... That sort of environment looks like a tone-fanatic's dream come true!

EDIT: Ooops, yep, eXT... just read your above post.

Cheers.

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:04 pm

TotcProductions wrote:Ok, another mp3...same riff I was using in the last two, except slightly tighter. This tone has a more "Boxy" quality to it...it's 4 tracks, 2 panned hard left and hard right, with the other two panned slightly off center, opposite eachother. 1 preset for the first 2, and 1 preset for the 2nd two.

FreeAmp2beta3-FightRiff-4layers

After listening, and playing a few different riffs...I've heard the lack of tightness that JBM was refferring to...maybe this can be solved with a better gate algorithm ( )...either way, I still think it's very useful, has a damn sexy GUI, and for christ's sake, it's free people...may not fit all tastes, but I'll hold on to it. Thanks Fretted Synth.

(BTW, works beautifully at 48khz/24 bit. Although, I forgot to dither it down in the mp3 above )

Peace

Ok now i'm convinced that FreeAmp can't give me a proper high gain tone.

Thank You Totc

For comparison you may want to listen to what Kazrog can do with his 6505 and few cab impulses.

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:06 pm

guitarzan wrote:
Jason Brian Merrill wrote:why do all this when with guitar rig or podxt you can just dial it up? No crazy routing of other plugs required????
Well, if you want an off the shelf "every dipshit in GC" type of tone - go for it. It really isn't manual labor to turn a few knobs to find the tone YOU want. That eXT rig took all of 5 minutes to assemble.

your process is convoluted. get over it.

i want an ampsim that works like an amp. plug in, move some knobs, nice tone.

not a spreadsheet.

MelodyMan · Post by **MelodyMan** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:14 pm

Jason Brian Merrill wrote:
guitarzan wrote:
Jason Brian Merrill wrote:why do all this when with guitar rig or podxt you can just dial it up? No crazy routing of other plugs required????
Well, if you want an off the shelf "every dipshit in GC" type of tone - go for it. It really isn't manual labor to turn a few knobs to find the tone YOU want. That eXT rig took all of 5 minutes to assemble.

your process is convoluted. get over it.

i want an ampsim that works like an amp. plug in, move some knobs, nice tone.

not a spreadsheet.

I suggest you buy one (GR, Amplitube take your pick),instead of bashing a great FREE offering.

GreyLion · Post by **GreyLion** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:19 pm

Damn, everybody is cranky at KVR today......

GreyLion · Post by **GreyLion** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:20 pm

At least, in the threads I've been reading this afternoon.....Which might say more about me than about KVR, I guess......

guitarzan · Post by **guitarzan** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:22 pm

Jason Brian Merrill wrote:
guitarzan wrote:
Jason Brian Merrill wrote:why do all this when with guitar rig or podxt you can just dial it up? No crazy routing of other plugs required????
Well, if you want an off the shelf "every dipshit in GC" type of tone - go for it. It really isn't manual labor to turn a few knobs to find the tone YOU want. That eXT rig took all of 5 minutes to assemble.

your process is convoluted. get over it.

i want an ampsim that works like an amp. plug in, move some knobs, nice tone.

not a spreadsheet.

Some people think it's worth a few minutes time and effort to find the tone they like. It takes less time than you spend bitching that FreeAmp wasn't built to your specifications. I think that chug tone shit sucks, myself. I was just trying to help your stupid ass out.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:25 pm

I wonder if it would be possible to add in the future a convolution module to FreeAmp2? This way we can add to the variety of tones, among other things. May be big on CPU, but most convolutions are.

Just an idea.

Brent

FreeAmp2 beta testing started