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koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:39 am

I think discussion on tone can be good for the thread IF it is for the purpose of making it sound better. So I would say that if we find that you can't get the non-muddy tone, we should discuss how to create it. If this happens, then this discussion will help make it better.

Brent

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:43 am

indeed. I dont want a pissing contest or a flame war.

I have honestly tried for about 30 minutes and cant find a usable hi gain tone on rythym. even the crunch tones to me, sound muddy. I M H O.

Synesthesiac · Post by **Synesthesiac** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:19 am

This is 2 tracks of slightly altered "May" preset with a bit of eq after recording. Spent more time on drums/bass/mix production than the guitar sound. Lead guitar is same preset with delay engaged.

http://www.geocities.com/t_m94948/fa2.mp3

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:34 am

That link doesn't work. Maybe something was typed wrong?

morelia · Post by **morelia** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:42 am

Synesthesiac wrote:This is 2 tracks of slightly altered "May" preset with a bit of eq after recording. Spent more time on drums/bass/mix production than the guitar sound. Lead guitar is same preset with delay engaged.

http://www.geocities.com/t_m94948/fa2.mp3

Sounds great to me. And what was doing the drums?

The link works if you use IE. Not with mozilla for me though.

Synesthesiac · Post by **Synesthesiac** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:45 am

ack..service temporarily unavailable or bandwidth limit already reached on that crappy site...and that's the only file i have on there...wth?

Synesthesiac · Post by **Synesthesiac** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:52 am

I usually right click on link, copy link location and paste it into winamp.

Thanks morelia! The drums were programmed by me and the samples were from Wizoo Mixtended Rock kit.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:53 am

Here are two versions of Jason's file that I did. I'm not saying that they are what he wants. Just my expirimenting with things. Who knows, maybe I'm close? Doesn't sound muddy to me. But then again, it's me.

http://www.audiopedia.org/guitar.wav

http://www.audiopedia.org/guitar2.wav

They are not compressed, so they are larger files. Sorry, I'm in a hurry cause I'm getting hungry. Also, I didn't bring the levels up or anything, so you may have to turn up a bit.

Opinions? Jason, anywhere close?

Brent

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:55 am

Oh, and don't shoot me because they are close in sound. Just two variations of the sound I thought sounded good.

If nothing else, they can serve as examples for the plug.

Brent

psychopractor · Post by **psychopractor** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:59 am

Ok after spending some time with FA2 I have to agree with the lack of tightness on high gain rhythm sounds. They all have a muddy, saggy kind of feel, which is good for some things (like walls of fuzz ala Smashing Pumpkins or Nu-Metal) but for things that involve real metal tones (5150, Randall) something almost solid state is in order. The best freeware plug I have found for this kind of rhythm tone is the Ultra channel of Dirthead (esp with speaker impulses). I am going to go home and toy with The Extremist plug in front of FA2 (eyes boggle).

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:27 am

If it is indeed lacking tightness, are there any suggestions for how to make it better? I'm only asking in case there is a way to make it better, as this is a beta version.

Brent

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:44 am

koolkeys wrote:If it is indeed lacking tightness, are there any suggestions for how to make it better? I'm only asking in case there is a way to make it better, as this is a beta version.

Brent

To make the sound tighter, boost the amp with Simulanalog's Tube Sreamer.

psychopractor · Post by **psychopractor** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:53 am

*thinks* ~some~ flubiness can be eq'ed out. I believe around 100Hz and below. It stops that 'sonic boom' effect that is so impressive when playing a 4x12 on it's own but is problematic when doing palm-muted riffs. Against the grain as this is in toneland, I would suggest using a Boss Metal Zone or DOD distortion pedal as a starting point. There is NOTHING tube-like about these units. It is solid state gain mess all the way. But ultra-defined mess. Maybe the OD pedal needs a 'metal zone' option

An over-the-top gain (usually multiple stages, the metal zone has 2), razor sharp that will be tamed somewhat by the speaker sim section. As for points of reference albums I would recommend:

Pantera: Far Beyond Driven (Randall)
Strapping Young Land: City (Peavey 5150)
Fear Factory: Demanufacture (Marshall JCM800?)
White Zombie: Astrocreep 2000 (Marshall/Randall?)

As mentioned before the only plugs I have that might get in the ballpark are The Extremist and Dirthead (ultra channel). Hope that helps some?

Jason Brian Merrill · Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:14 pm

Synesthesiac wrote:This is 2 tracks of slightly altered "May" preset with a bit of eq after recording. Spent more time on drums/bass/mix production than the guitar sound. Lead guitar is same preset with delay engaged.

http://www.geocities.com/t_m94948/fa2.mp3

this is the best i have heard so far. It still has that "wet blanket" effect, but it sounds nice on the leads.
See, this is a good sound, but certainly not one i would use most of the time. You can hear in the palm muting the mud, and you can hear on the open chords the "wah-wah" effect im talking about, except here it is less pronounced, and perhaps wanted, because its a "may" type of tone.

Jason Brian Merrill · Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:22 pm

koolkeys wrote:Here are two versions of Jason's file that I did. I'm not saying that they are what he wants. Just my expirimenting with things. Who knows, maybe I'm close? Doesn't sound muddy to me. But then again, it's me.

http://www.audiopedia.org/guitar.wav

http://www.audiopedia.org/guitar2.wav

They are not compressed, so they are larger files. Sorry, I'm in a hurry cause I'm getting hungry. Also, I didn't bring the levels up or anything, so you may have to turn up a bit.

Opinions? Jason, anywhere close?

Brent

these arent *too* bad. But what you will notice about them is
on the first one, it doesnt have that tightness on the palm mutes, and it has that artificial sounding "wah-wah halfway up" sound when the open chords hit. Now, i dont know, perhaps that is exactly what the dev was going for, but sort of sounds like crap to me in any context. I would like to hear some clips from classic rock or something that show the sounds he was going for. Cause i dont remember hearing this anywhere there, no offense.

Perhaps im wrong, perhaps its just a matter of taste though.

Ok, the second one, not bad... but not enough gain. The problem with freeamp2 really comes in when you add a decent amount of gain.

one thing i want to set straight is i am not some metal head...

I do like some metal but that is not the only sound i go for --- Im into the sound of aerosmith, AC/DC, Nirvana, radiohead, i mean anything from the 50s to now.... so please dont pigeonhole me into thinking i want CHUG CHUG CHUG like that ignorant loser from before. One good example of a sound i love is anything from STP.. from core to tiny music, they touched on so many sounds with guitar amps, new and vintage, its sick.

Anyway, i hope my critique of this very nice offering helps in some way

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