True.john1954 wrote:funny topic.
thieves always have an excuse for what they do.
-Scott
Should Music Be FREE????
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- KVRAF
- 4908 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Colorado Springs
-Scott
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- KVRAF
- 1811 posts since 18 Jan, 2005 from Lost in the blinding whiteness of the tundra
Yes, exactly. It's a consensus agreement that, even though we don't like having our freedom to recommunicate ideas (in this case by copying music) restricted, we consider a qualified restriction of that freedom to be worthwhile in exchange for the benefits it brings - ie more people are able and encouraged to produce the stuff that we like, hence more of the stuff that we like out there.bagginz wrote:Yes it is made up.stefancrs wrote: Having the rights to say what people are allowed to do and not with something they buy, or something you actually decide to share with the world, is kindof made up and forced to resemble the rights we have to physical property, eventhough the two are very much unlike in their nature.
But I see nothing wrong with creating rules and standards of conduct.
For example of idea of Human Rights is a human creation. It doesn't exist outside of our agreement.
Democracy? Ethics? Laws? Marriage etc. Same.
Humans create "unnatural" edifices in language. We are good at it. It's a cornerstone of civilization.
Although the balance seems to be being shifted away from the public good and towards Disney's bank balance at the moment.
It's a rave, Lewis!
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- KVRAF
- 4908 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Colorado Springs
I cannot disagree with the comments that things are heading corporate (like the Disney comment above) more.
Kind souls here at KVR have provided more than enough excellent music to keep my mp3 player, and me, happy.
Quit whining. Go make some music. Put on some shows and have a stack of CDs there to sell. Or give it away for free here, at soundclick and wherever else you feel like it.
Sign up to host your songs and sell them by the download.
There is more opportunity than ever for us hacks to make money off of our music than at any time in the past.
There is also more freely available FREE music, legitimately obtained, than ever before.
Enjoy both ends of the deal. It's a golden age for music fans and creators alike.
-Scott
Kind souls here at KVR have provided more than enough excellent music to keep my mp3 player, and me, happy.
Quit whining. Go make some music. Put on some shows and have a stack of CDs there to sell. Or give it away for free here, at soundclick and wherever else you feel like it.
Sign up to host your songs and sell them by the download.
There is more opportunity than ever for us hacks to make money off of our music than at any time in the past.
There is also more freely available FREE music, legitimately obtained, than ever before.
Enjoy both ends of the deal. It's a golden age for music fans and creators alike.
-Scott
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- 21 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from Somewhere under the rainbow...
morelia wrote:And those who make it should be treated like gods for providing the soundtrack to our lives at no cost. In other words, only if I can have whatever I want at no cost.
I guess the OP was bored shitless and so this thread...
It's sorta like some people think music is a 'thing' that can be produced -- maybe laid like an egg -- with no f**king effort other than maybe the chicken stretching it's twat for a few seconds.
OTOH, it amazes me that there are people that will pay $29.95 for Barry Manilow's new CD.
If you stop looking for what you might find, you may find more than you wanted to find even if you weren't looking when you found it, and then where the hell would you be tomorrow... and stuff...
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- 21 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from Somewhere under the rainbow...
@Scotty -- that was quite well put mate1 
If you stop looking for what you might find, you may find more than you wanted to find even if you weren't looking when you found it, and then where the hell would you be tomorrow... and stuff...
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- KVRAF
- 8698 posts since 24 May, 2002 from Tutukaka, New Zealand
Music should be expensive...very expensive, so that the common plebs can't abuse it. Don't know what the oiks would want with decent music anyways... 
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TotcProductions TotcProductions https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6202 - KVRAF
- 5155 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from Franklin, NH
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- KVRAF
- 4908 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Colorado Springs
Alex, is that you, with a new pseudonym?X3lA wrote:@Scotty -- that was quite well put mate1
I rather preferred 'xander'.
The new nick is rather sterile; doesn't match the groovy tracks you make with all of their non-robotic goodness. X3lA sounds like the name that Dr. Frankenstein might stamp on the forehead of his latest creation - the Alex Borg.
Ah, but now I see it. From the other way around we find the mystery revealed. Perhaps you've 'done a 180'?
Please forgive my lunchtime blather.
-Scott
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- KVRAF
- 5155 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from Franklin, NH
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- 21 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from Somewhere under the rainbow...
You fookin guys...
Guess I can't fool you lot with me new reverse nick then eh?
Scotty -- are you serious?? I never really thought about it that way...
Man -- I dont wanna be no sterile robotical-musoid type or whatever. Enuf of them about as it is...
I thought it was cool -- that I'd be cool with this cool nick... Not?
If you stop looking for what you might find, you may find more than you wanted to find even if you weren't looking when you found it, and then where the hell would you be tomorrow... and stuff...
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- KVRAF
- 5155 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from Franklin, NH
I think it's supa-cool.X3lA wrote:
You fookin guys...
Guess I can't fool you lot with me new reverse nick then eh?
Scotty -- are you serious?? I never really thought about it that way...
Man -- I dont wanna be no sterile robotical-musoid type or whatever. Enuf of them about as it is...
I thought it was cool -- that I'd be cool with this cool nick... Not?
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- KVRAF
- 1534 posts since 18 Jan, 2005
Music is "free". It only appears to cost something when humans of the western civilized mindset are involved. Related to the territorial instincts of animals (a group that we represent) -- the concepts of ownership, cost and no-cost apparently are inventions of the human psyche, inventions that are necessary to obtain and maintain power which theoretically increases the chance of survival. Would music cost anything on this world in a stable human population of 200,000? Most likely music would simply be shared among the sharing of other things.
Music doesn't seem to cost the birds, the cicadas, the crickets, the whales, or the spheres of the cosmos anything.
What enforces the cost of anything in the financial sense begins with weapons of some sort. Usually and most commonly these days it's guns. Laws that are written on paper are backed up by the threat of guns, imprisonment, financial impairment or ruin, public scorn and death. All of this is designed to create an incentive for the production of things of value and to protect an individual or a nation's ablity to survive. At least that is what I have come to know.
The question of whether music should or should not cost money potentially brings about answers that can only be arbitrary. No proof for any answer to the question can ever be offered and only anecdotal evidence can be presented.
In truth music doesn't cost anything but in a capitalist-republic-totalitarian-socialist-technocratic-litigious-
police state music does cost something for us humans who are intent on survival. On the level of biology we humans know that music provides and represent a shared experience. On the level of economy we humans know that it is easier to share something than it is to pay or demand money for it. This represents a conundrum. The natural laws of economics, the laws of government or rules of morality only partially help us to make decisions but they do not solve the problem or conclusively answer the question.
My answer is an anecdotal one but maybe we should successfully communicate with the whales for the benefit of their perspective.
Music doesn't seem to cost the birds, the cicadas, the crickets, the whales, or the spheres of the cosmos anything.
What enforces the cost of anything in the financial sense begins with weapons of some sort. Usually and most commonly these days it's guns. Laws that are written on paper are backed up by the threat of guns, imprisonment, financial impairment or ruin, public scorn and death. All of this is designed to create an incentive for the production of things of value and to protect an individual or a nation's ablity to survive. At least that is what I have come to know.
The question of whether music should or should not cost money potentially brings about answers that can only be arbitrary. No proof for any answer to the question can ever be offered and only anecdotal evidence can be presented.
In truth music doesn't cost anything but in a capitalist-republic-totalitarian-socialist-technocratic-litigious-
police state music does cost something for us humans who are intent on survival. On the level of biology we humans know that music provides and represent a shared experience. On the level of economy we humans know that it is easier to share something than it is to pay or demand money for it. This represents a conundrum. The natural laws of economics, the laws of government or rules of morality only partially help us to make decisions but they do not solve the problem or conclusively answer the question.
My answer is an anecdotal one but maybe we should successfully communicate with the whales for the benefit of their perspective.
I ♥ Music.
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- Banned
- 21 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from Somewhere under the rainbow...
Ta matey!!!
I mean, it is me God-given backwards (sorta). I can't use 'Alex' because some dumb tit booked it yonks ago and never showed back up here -- useless bugger (sorry Alex -- wherever you are) )...
I mean, it is me God-given backwards (sorta). I can't use 'Alex' because some dumb tit booked it yonks ago and never showed back up here -- useless bugger (sorry Alex -- wherever you are)
)... If you stop looking for what you might find, you may find more than you wanted to find even if you weren't looking when you found it, and then where the hell would you be tomorrow... and stuff...
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- 21 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from Somewhere under the rainbow...
Rut roh -- gettin tooooo serious around here....
If you stop looking for what you might find, you may find more than you wanted to find even if you weren't looking when you found it, and then where the hell would you be tomorrow... and stuff...
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- KVRAF
- 6496 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from Frederick, MD
