I know that people keep saying that you can draw your own curves, but anybody who has worked with ACID Pro can attest to how convenient the curved based automation is to work with.
Live 6
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- KVRAF
- 4822 posts since 14 Mar, 2002 from Somewhere else, on principle
Well, it seems like a nice update, but other than multicore support, the 2 other top things on my list, folder channels and curve based automation, have yet to be implemented.
I know that people keep saying that you can draw your own curves, but anybody who has worked with ACID Pro can attest to how convenient the curved based automation is to work with.
I know that people keep saying that you can draw your own curves, but anybody who has worked with ACID Pro can attest to how convenient the curved based automation is to work with.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Aha - yes, that would make sense. Those new racks look like they could open up all sorts of possibilities... a big addition. Also the Device chains including VSTs now - that's going to make them much more useful.diverdee wrote:apparently there are presets for simpler using the new 'racks' & midi effects which allow one to layer etc. in order to take advantage of the sound library.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
I've used curve automation in Audition and Sonar... and although it may look neater on the screen, I'm not able to hear a real difference between curves drawn using nodes and those that are splined. Generally though I record automation using my controller - as I suspect do most Ableton users - rather than drawing it with a mouse. I guess that may be the difference.John Vulich wrote: I know that people keep saying that you can draw your own curves, but anybody who has worked with ACID Pro can attest to how convenient the curved based automation is to work with.
[but note, I'm not against curves, just a bit indifferent]
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- KVRAF
- 27006 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
headquest wrote:I've used curve automation in Audition and Sonar... and although it may look neater on the screen, I'm not able to hear a real difference between curves drawn using nodes and those that are splined. Generally though I record automation using my controller - as I suspect do most Ableton users - rather than drawing it with a mouse. I guess that may be the difference.John Vulich wrote: I know that people keep saying that you can draw your own curves, but anybody who has worked with ACID Pro can attest to how convenient the curved based automation is to work with.
[but note, I'm not against curves, just a bit indifferent]
curves are just easier than linear points... you need less of them to get the same shape so they are especially easier to edit after the fact
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
i think this might be the first update i miss since live3 ... nothing there that screams 'must have' at me for the way i work ...
... IMHO ableton have kind of dropped the ball with live recently ... dont get me wrong i like it and its a VERY powerful tool ... but its getting a little unwieldy ... like someone else has already mentioned it might be good for ableton to split it into 2 development paths if they could resource it ... one a fully fledged DAW and the other a stripped out compositional tool ...
slainte
rob
... IMHO ableton have kind of dropped the ball with live recently ... dont get me wrong i like it and its a VERY powerful tool ... but its getting a little unwieldy ... like someone else has already mentioned it might be good for ableton to split it into 2 development paths if they could resource it ... one a fully fledged DAW and the other a stripped out compositional tool ...
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- KVRAF
- 4822 posts since 14 Mar, 2002 from Somewhere else, on principle
They do have the lite versions already. Though more of a "loss leader" advert for the full program, it's more or less what you're talking about.pHz wrote:i think this might be the first update i miss since live3 ... nothing there that screams 'must have' at me for the way i work ...
... IMHO ableton have kind of dropped the ball with live recently ... dont get me wrong i like it and its a VERY powerful tool ... but its getting a little unwieldy ... like someone else has already mentioned it might be good for ableton to split it into 2 development paths if they could resource it ... one a fully fledged DAW and the other a stripped out compositional tool ...
slainte
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
yeah (thats how i got into the live upgrade path in the first place actually) ...
... i just think back to earlier less 'bloaty' versions of live that focussed more on the session view and its improvisational compositional focus and think that for me personally live has lost that sharpness in its (inevitable i guess) drive to become a 'proper' DAW ...
... i reckon a cheaper stripped down (you could almost dump the arrangement view altogether) version of live that was ALL about that might attract a new market and would probably be more efficient for live use too ...
slainte rob
... i just think back to earlier less 'bloaty' versions of live that focussed more on the session view and its improvisational compositional focus and think that for me personally live has lost that sharpness in its (inevitable i guess) drive to become a 'proper' DAW ...
... i reckon a cheaper stripped down (you could almost dump the arrangement view altogether) version of live that was ALL about that might attract a new market and would probably be more efficient for live use too ...
slainte
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
I think they pretty much "nailed" the live use for musicians by version 2 (or so) when the Session View was fully formed. Adding the Arrangment as a way of recording your Session was a no-brainer. When multitrack audio recording was introduced, Live became Reason's best friend as a Rewire partner, each nicely making up for the other's shortcomings at that point... so bit by bit the market for Live has grown. By Live 5 the DJ crowd were well catered for (e.g. with the MP3 import and complex warp mode)...
...so with version 6 it was invevitable that the main focus was going to be on consolidating Live's growing status as a fully-fledged software DAW. Sure, there's still some stuff missing (personally I'm really suprised that they've apparently not added a full "groove quantise" feature this time around...) but overall I think 6 is a good upgrade, and there's probably enough stuff there to keep me happy.
The point is though, all the stuff that appealed before is still there and is just as easy to access as ever ... and the new stuff (so far) has been added in a way that hasn't got in the way. I think they've resisted "bloatware" pretty well up to this point, and Live is still very much a musician's tool.
The big question though has to be whether the Sampler is worth the extra cost... given my liking for NN-XT/Combinator and the large collection of ReFills I have, I somehow doubt that Sampler will be worth it for me personally.[/i]
...so with version 6 it was invevitable that the main focus was going to be on consolidating Live's growing status as a fully-fledged software DAW. Sure, there's still some stuff missing (personally I'm really suprised that they've apparently not added a full "groove quantise" feature this time around...) but overall I think 6 is a good upgrade, and there's probably enough stuff there to keep me happy.
The point is though, all the stuff that appealed before is still there and is just as easy to access as ever ... and the new stuff (so far) has been added in a way that hasn't got in the way. I think they've resisted "bloatware" pretty well up to this point, and Live is still very much a musician's tool.
The big question though has to be whether the Sampler is worth the extra cost... given my liking for NN-XT/Combinator and the large collection of ReFills I have, I somehow doubt that Sampler will be worth it for me personally.[/i]
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
for sure (to a point) ... just i personally find even version 5 a little cluttered and have been using it less and less ... im ALMOST tempted to roll back to live 3 TBH ...headquest wrote:The point is though, all the stuff that appealed before is still there and is just as easy to access as ever ... and the new stuff (so far) has been added in a way that hasn't got in the way. I think they've resisted "bloatware" pretty well up to this point, and Live is still very much a musician's tool.
... even though all the same features are still in there the newer versions just dont feel as 'lean-n-mean' as the older ones (and like i said ... im fuly aware of why that is the case given the market forces driving ableton) ...
... oh well ... saves me some cash at least ...
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
The difference between you (Rob) and me is that I'm basically using Live as my main music creation environment (in spite of having and liking Sonar as well now).
Having said that, when I first read the (cut down) announcement on the M-Audio site, I considered whether I might pass on the upgrade myself, although reading the full details on the Abes site has me now convinced that I will at least buy the $99 download upgrade... and possibly the boxed upgrade with the Sonic Implants stuff.
They've posted a seperate annoucement now about their "partnership" with SI, which will lead to more commercial sample sets for Live being released in the coming months by the way.
Having said that, when I first read the (cut down) announcement on the M-Audio site, I considered whether I might pass on the upgrade myself, although reading the full details on the Abes site has me now convinced that I will at least buy the $99 download upgrade... and possibly the boxed upgrade with the Sonic Implants stuff.
They've posted a seperate annoucement now about their "partnership" with SI, which will lead to more commercial sample sets for Live being released in the coming months by the way.
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
+1ttoz wrote:but then again the deep freeze is pretty wild and kind of looks like it could be the worlds best freeze solution.
i hope eXT & tracktion both steel this
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- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
HI
Well if your running a dual CPU DAW like myself (and many others, no doubt) then this is absolute nirvana ...
It looks like Ableton have settled for a yearly development program that hits the user (should he or she want the upgrade) for 100 odd bux!
Perhaps next years update to V7 will bring enhancements that appeal to the masses?
Flipper.
Well if your running a dual CPU DAW like myself (and many others, no doubt) then this is absolute nirvana ...
It looks like Ableton have settled for a yearly development program that hits the user (should he or she want the upgrade) for 100 odd bux!
Perhaps next years update to V7 will bring enhancements that appeal to the masses?
Flipper.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Yes, the core duo support is definitely the deal-sealer for me.
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
yeah ... thats probably the crux of it actually ... the stuff i personally want from live are the bits my other tools (whichever one im focussing on at the time) dont have or cant currently do ... although even that might change sometime later this year ...headquest wrote:The difference between you (Rob) and me is that I'm basically using Live as my main music creation environment (in spite of having and liking Sonar as well now).
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