V-Verb Pro - more examples

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Hello KVRers :)

As i promised in this fabulous and funny thread here are some examples from very cheap (for what you'll get) hardware reverb named Behringer V-Verb Pro (also called REV2496 around stores). But first of all few words of caution.

First of all sorry for my bad english. I am not posting this with intention to fool you that i have another big buck reverb killer. I am doing this because i promised and because i think that this thread can help to someone (like you want to buy this reverb but you dont know what you will get and how this unit perform). So if you find that this unit is great sounding to you fine with me. Buy it then. You will probably be happy. If you dont like it dont buy it. It is simple as that.

If you already own some expensive hardware reverb then skip this presentation because you probably have good reverb and you don't wish to waste your time. On the second side you may find that this cheap reverb can sound just as good as your expensive unit and you can feel bad about that and your ego can evaporate. This is known to be bad for inspiration :shrug: On the third side you may find that you can buy this reverb for cheap money and it can be great "partner" and companion to your high end reverb. At the end you can find that this reverb is total crap. "You may" is important because everyone have different taste and everything is relative. And i cant change anything about that :lol:

I can't post more examples because i am short with time. I hope you will find this thread to be useful.

Few words about presentation. I did not manipulate in any way this sound. I did not even edit presets except decay time on some presets. So you can find some examples to sound harsh or bad. There is much much more in this unit but again i dont have enough time to do this so take my apology. Also i can not cover every instrument or genre and i hope that inside this everyone can find something for own taste. Little for everyone :). I wont write my conclusions for now so you are on your own ear. After you listen these demos please feel free to give us your opinion. After that maybe i will give my own comment on unit. But take in account that i am amateur and i dont have any big knowledge. Also since i believe that i still can not interpret what i want to say (because of my bad english) and i am poor musician maybe it is good to read reviews from folks here and here so you can get a better scope of what this unit is and what you can get.

Unit is connected through my EMU 1820M and routed inside cubase then adjusted to work like external effect on send channel. So every example is treated like that. By adjusting send volume.

Here they are.

--- Example 1:

Preset used "large warm hall". V-Verb algorithm. Loop is few bars long and send/FX channel is muted here and there so you can easy spot difference.

Drum loop 2

And here you can find same sounds from drum loop 2 but each is one shot only through same reverb preset.

Drum loop 2 individual

--- Example 2:

Preset used "vintage 250". Gold Plate algorithm. Again loop is few bars long and send/FX channel is muted here and there so you can easy spot difference.

Drum loop 3

Here you can find that same sounds from drum loop 3. again each is one shot only through same plate preset.

Drum loop 3 individual

--- Example 3:

This sound is posted in this thread by great and very helpful man named Brok Landers from BigTone studio. This is very very good thread. One of best if you are crazy for good reverb sound and if you are from elitistic expensive hardware bandwagon. Check it out. You may be surprised.

Original
Original through "Gold Plate" preset
Original through "Large Warm Hall" preset

--- Example 4:

Strings here. This example is exported long time ago and if i can remember this is from Reason String library. I found it few days ago again and i was thinking that maybe can be helpful for those who are asking for string sound. Check that refill also. Maybe you can find it useful too.

Strings dry
Strings wet and dry - send/FX channel is muted here and there so you can easy spot difference.
Strings wet - full wet export without disturbance

--- Example 5:

This is not reverb this is plain FX. Phaser. This is very technoish loop. Low down your volume. Because this is Marco Bailey and loop is from song "Krakow". First you will hear wet, then dry and again wet signal. Very powerful FX.
Krakow wet-dry-wet



Feel free to post comments and opinions :)

Cheers!

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Hi kmonkey,

hope you are happy with the unit...

do you own the IK CSR?
how does the V-Verb compare to it... ?

They seem to model slightly other models.... (reverb units)

The CSR seems to model the PCM90 and the V-Verb is modeled from higher end reverb...

I think both are high-end but I am thinking about also getting the CSR for widening my reverb arsenal... :shock: :D

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hifiboom wrote:Hi kmonkey,

hope you are happy with the unit...

do you own the IK CSR?
how does the V-Verb compare to it... ?

They seem to model slightly other models.... (reverb units)

The CSR seems to model the PCM90 and the V-Verb is modeled from higher end reverb...

I think both are high-end but I am thinking about also getting the CSR for widening my reverb arsenal... :shock: :D
Hello. I dont have CSR but i did install demo. You can find more info about my comments on CSR here.
I think that CSR is amazing and very very good. And that if i did not find Behringer (thanks to you and other kvrers)i would by CSR that is sure. But now i am about to order second unit. Since it is dual engine i can use 4. reverbs or 3 combined with some effect, at 24/96 with no cpu hit and i dont have to think twice. It will sit nice in rack along with ART Pro VLA :hihi: And combined with ArtsAcoustic i am pretty happy with my reverb arsenal. Though that is just me :wink:

-edit- and since my CSR demo has timed out i cant tell exactly how is comparable but i do remember that CSR is amazing :) You wont regret if you buy it.
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I've seen that unit before at the music stores...Sounds pretty darn good to me. Surprising!

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the presets are good... but if you tweak a liitle bit you can get even further with this unit....

and it is highly tweakable...

There are some paramters CSR doesn't have, that V-Verb does have and the other way round...


CSR features the buildup parameter which is very very nice and does affect the room impression extremly... Atttack and release on the reverb in combination.

V-Verb does not have such paramter...

CSR does not have EARLY/LATE Ratio (at least not with every of the plug-ins) and you cannot set PreDelay for ER and LR seperatly....

I like the sound from both as they capture the Lexicon sound and are top-notch when it comes to density and cleaness...

I think both are a bargain, even if the CSR is more expensive... I think I'll go and buy this too...

Integration to VST is also nice.... :)

hopefully Warp69 is working on more reverb/space plug-ins in the future... He definitly knows his buisness...

Reverb is something wonderful

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Yeah it is :P

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Have you guys been running only through the digital I/O? I get the impression that prehaps kmonkey has used the analog I/O. If not, try it and post a sample.


What about shorter verbs?

Here are some examples using a dry clip that kmonkey used, can you do something similar for comparison? I hope these links work... First half is dry, second half wet.

http://groupdiy.twin-x.com/displayimage.php?pos=-1342

http://groupdiy.twin-x.com/displayimage.php?pos=-1341

http://groupdiy.twin-x.com/displayimage.php?pos=-1340

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Hello. I am off my house for two days or more so i can't do that. I am using analog I/O for now but there should not be any difference in using digital or i am missing something ?

Maybe hifiboom can help you until i reach my home :)

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kmonkey wrote:Hello. I am off my house for two days or more so i can't do that. I am using analog I/O for now but there should not be any difference in using digital or i am missing something ?

Maybe hifiboom can help you until i reach my home :)
I don't mind who does it. :wink:


Yeah I suspected you might have used the analog I/O. The quality of the reverb has diminished substancially. When you use the analog I/O like you have done you are adding extra stages of conversion. This is because the behringer unit is a digital reverb, and knowing behringer it has very poor AD/DA converters.

So you are outputting analog from your soundcard, going into the reverb unit which then turns the waveform back into digital again. It processes the reverb then changes it back to analog which you send back to your soundcard. Your soundcard then turns with back into digital as the waveform you see in your DAW.

If you have Spdif digital I/O on your soundcard use it to connect the reverb unit. This means you stay digital the whole way through and don't submit the audio to extra stages of AD/DA conversion.

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Yeah i know for that but it sounds good to me anyway :)

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kmonkey wrote:Yeah i know for that but it sounds good to me anyway :)
the emu 1820m does have one of the best a/d-converters out there.

I also think there is nothing wrong with the analog inputs on this reverb unit...

But kmonkey: you could also use the optical in/out on your emu, ain't you?

And yes my examples were done utilizising the optical in/out of my soundcard. And if I 'do not switch on the dither on the rev2496, noise = 0

And by the way: just ordered IK CSR. :)

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hifiboom wrote:
kmonkey wrote:Yeah i know for that but it sounds good to me anyway :)
the emu 1820m does have one of the best a/d-converters out there.

I also think there is nothing wrong with the analog inputs on this reverb unit...

But kmonkey: you could also use the optical in/out on your emu, ain't you?

And yes my examples were done utilizising the optical in/out of my soundcard. And if I 'do not switch on the dither on the rev2496, noise = 0

And by the way: just ordered IK CSR. :)
Yes i will use it and i must use digital if i want to use both engines at the same time. EMU is very very flexible with patchmix so i will not have any problem :)
Best wishes :) I want CSR too :)
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hifiboom wrote: the emu 1820m does have one of the best a/d-converters out there.


*sigh* :dog:


Please, shorter reverb examples! Surely you can do it, you pissed all over unit that did it in the last thread.

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Thanks for those examples. I don't have the slightest chance to buy such a reverb now, but it's nice to be able to listen to what you've done with it. Thanks.

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Sammas wrote:
hifiboom wrote: the emu 1820m does have one of the best a/d-converters out there.
*sigh* :dog:
believe it or not Sammas,
its no joke...

do some search on the i-net and you'll know this too ...

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