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EJo wrote:Can't you just lower the volume of a channel after you've applied the limiter? In Cubase SX 2, i think the two last inserts are post-volume slider and the other are pre-volume slider. I can't see how there's a problem, although i don't know how your DAW works. The way i see it, it could never be a problem that a plugin wants to put the volume at 0db, because you can always lower the volume later in the chain. I even do this on the master track... not all limiters that i like to use (a lot of them are hardware) puts the volume right at 0db after looping through them, for sure. This was particularly noticable when i had an M-audio soundcard that didn't have a very high output, so the sound always came back kinda low from the hardware limiters. But as i said, it shouldn't be a problem anyway.


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But it wouldn't be so much work for Torben to give the MPL-1 the possibility of an attenuation of more the 5 dB... :)
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friteuse wrote:
EJo wrote:Can't you just lower the volume of a channel after you've applied the limiter? In Cubase SX 2, i think the two last inserts are post-volume slider and the other are pre-volume slider. I can't see how there's a problem, although i don't know how your DAW works. The way i see it, it could never be a problem that a plugin wants to put the volume at 0db, because you can always lower the volume later in the chain. I even do this on the master track... not all limiters that i like to use (a lot of them are hardware) puts the volume right at 0db after looping through them, for sure. This was particularly noticable when i had an M-audio soundcard that didn't have a very high output, so the sound always came back kinda low from the hardware limiters. But as i said, it shouldn't be a problem anyway.


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But it wouldn't be so much work for Torben to give the MPL-1 the possibility of an attenuation of more the 5 dB... :)
Nope, it would take 2 minutes and then all projects using the MPL-1 would be messed up. You should know that parameters are defined 0 to 1, no matter what any knob are saying this is the number being saved (VST standard). So if the range was increased to lets say +/-10 dB the knob will still be at the same physical position but the gain would be double up. That's why you can not change these things when a plug-in has been released.

kylen, I have had some fine results using GPP-1 and MPL-1 in series but I do not see the point in using two MPL-1's though I have not tried.

Torben
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Torben wrote:
friteuse wrote:But it wouldn't be so much work for Torben to give the MPL-1 the possibility of an attenuation of more the 5 dB... :)
Nope, it would take 2 minutes and then all projects using the MPL-1 would be messed up. You should know that parameters are defined 0 to 1, no matter what any knob are saying this is the number being saved (VST standard). So if the range was increased to lets say +/-10 dB the knob will still be at the same physical position but the gain would be double up. That's why you can not change these things when a plug-in has been released.

kylen, I have had some fine results using GPP-1 and MPL-1 in series but I do not see the point in using two MPL-1's though I have not tried.

Torben
I see, but well, it doesn't matter because there are lots of easy workarounds :wink:

Btw, Torben, I use your MPL-1 everyday now and I cannot praise it enough. You did an amazing job, congrats!! :)

Can't wait to see the Mac version! :) :) :)
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Torben wrote: kylen, I have had some fine results using GPP-1 and MPL-1 in series but I do not see the point in using two MPL-1's though I have not tried.
Torben
Hi Torben - I'm experimenting a little here. I bring the overall level up with the first MPL-1, mamimize in a way but no GR has been indicated on the meter yet - rms might be about -13 or -14db. Then I push into the second MPL-1 a db or 2 and clip a little with a pretty fast release.
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The other thing I'm thinking, that was under discussion on another forum, is that when using a processor to perform a dynamics function and pushing it 100% of the way to do the job...split the task up and give 2 units in series the task. Push into the first one a certain percentage then adjust the 2nd one to taste. That way no single processor is overloaded or strained or sitting in the linear or non-linear zone incorrectly - or controls all the color by itself. I don't know about dsp, I think maybe this has carried over from analog hardware but it's common practice - even if based on folklore for the dsp processing! :)

Sometimes 2 Elephants are better than one - so I figured maybe 2 MPL-1s would be sweet also!
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kylen wrote:The other thing I'm thinking, that was under discussion on another forum, is that when using a processor to perform a dynamics function and pushing it 100% of the way to do the job...split the task up and give 2 units in series the task. Push into the first one a certain percentage then adjust the 2nd one to taste. That way no single processor is overloaded or strained or sitting in the linear or non-linear zone incorrectly - or controls all the color by itself. I don't know about dsp, I think maybe this has carried over from analog hardware but it's common practice - even if based on folklore for the dsp processing! :)
That is right when dealing with compressors. That was also why I suggested GPP-1 before the MPL-1, because it can be used with a soft knee to compress the peaks before the MPL-1 takes over brickwaling.

Torben
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OK - thanks for the additional explaination Torben - that looks like a winning combo to GPP-->MPL.

As a side note something just didn't feel right when I tried to insert MPL on a buss the other day...it was because I wanted to insert GMLP-1 (GOLDEN MLP - haha!) no Gold on this one eh? :)
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