Obtaining THIS sound with SS2

[ozinexile]

Sorry, that was for blades

No problem, Kim. What is Blades? OK I see it was the thread starter. My bad.

Wow, this is the best thread hijack I've seen for a while .

I hope Blades got his sound.

[blades]

Hey Kim...I downloaded and placed where all my other combis are and it shows up in the ss2 interface, but nothing loads into the instrument slots. Only the title of the combi appears.

Thoughts?

[Kim Lajoie]

Try hitting "Relist" and then loading the combi again.

-Kim.

[Beardedone]

Beardedone wrote:
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Sorry, that was for blades


No problem, Kim. What is Blades? OK I see it was the thread starter. My bad.


Wow, this is the best thread hijack I've seen for a while .

I hope Blades got his sound.

Sorry for that. My bad.

Blades sound is a cool one. It is just that I did ask for LM's AYGWM harmonica sound and some advice on using a pedal to trigger a pitch-modulating LFO in ST2 and have yet to get an answer.

[Kim Lajoie]

Beardedone, there are two ways to do it. You can map the pedal to CC1 (Modulation), or your can use ST2 to assign the MIDI CC from your pedal to LFO depth. Let me know if you want a more detailed explanation.

-Kim.

[blades]

Kim,

I got it to work, but no matter what I did with the relist in SS2, it would not load in there. So I copied the SS2 combis over to the ST2.1 pathing, relisted and refreshed combi list in ST2.1 and it loads just grand.

Interesting sound, and I think the air force part could be crafted to be used as part of this, but the main percussive element isn't quite right - this is more ting than zing; a little too metallic and not electronic.

Not a bad start, though.

Anyone else - I AM working on this as well in my spare time, but I'm really slow - and this is a good exercise for me. I'm sure Squids could do it

[blades]

Actually, adjusting this around a bit is getting me pretty close. Still maybe a little too much "Kalimba" sounding something-or-other in here that I need to get out. Basically, I took what you had, remixed the elements, where 2 is the predominent one instead of 1, and added some delay to the two more melodic sounding parts. Also, changed the attacks on a few things as well as the releases on the melodic parts and reduced the amount of delay feedback on the air sound.

Getting closer.

[Kim Lajoie]

-Kim.

[Beardedone]

Beardedone, there are two ways to do it. You can map the pedal to CC1 (Modulation), or your can use ST2 to assign the MIDI CC from your pedal to LFO depth. Let me know if you want a more detailed explanation.

-Kim.

Thanks Kim. I tried to do this previously but was not able to get the trigger effect that Lyle had going.

Cheers,
Gordon

[Beardedone]

No luck so far. I have no idea how to approach this. btw Lyle May's described how he designed the AYGWM harmonica solo patch as follows :

"I programmed a long, slow vibrato that actually never gets through a whole cycle - it just gets through half a cycle, the down side of a cycle - and then I patched one of the pedals to the parameter, so I could kick in the vibrato or kick it out. When I put my foot down, the pitch would drop; when I brought my foot back, the pitch would go back to where it started. So I could do things where the pitches slurred into each other, which I don't think I could do on a pitch-wheel. Maybe somebody can, but I don't have that technique. It's much more difficult to do it with a pitch-wheel, and it also has a different character. I'm really not a fan of the pitch wheel. It's not for me."

[Beardedone]

Anyone?

[Beardedone]

OK I guess this is not doable with SS2 or ST2

Anyone have advice on doing Lyle's trick in Kontakt 2 with say a Sonic Station patch?

[Squids]

You could do that with SS2 or ST2. But you'd have to have an expression pedal hooked up to your keyboard controller. He probably just had the pedal control the depth of the modulation. Set the pitch lfo very low. It's a crude pitch bend really but you have to understand that the Synclavier at that time had a freakin' KNOB for pitch bend I think. Not sure if it even HAD pitch wheels in that version. But, he doesn't even like pitch wheels which is interesting. I don't think it is very hard to get the pitch bending effect with a pitch wheel actually (which is strange... because to hear Lyle say he can't do something so well is sort of hard to believe!!!). Anyway, I don't know how much closer it is really going to get you to that sound since it is still just talking about the pitch. That's a performance thing. You still have to have THE sound which in order to have it exact we need to get the sample of that particular Synclavier sound. He probably didn't even MAKE that sound (was probably a stock sound) because none of those guys that used it really did (Tony Banks or others). I MAY even have it somewhere possibly but if I don't then it is on the list of things to get even for my own enjoyment. Next time I am in front of a Synclavier I will look for that particular sound. Hmmm. It'd be ironic but there is one, a famous one, that I might be able to sample! Well, let's see.

[Beardedone]

Thanks Dave. That's good to know. I assumed from what Lyle said about the pedal (i.e., "...and then I patched one of the pedals to the parameter, so I could kick in the vibrato or kick it out. When I put my foot down, the pitch would drop; when I brought my foot back, the pitch would go back to where it started.") that I could use the sustain pedal which I already have and assign it to the pitch LFO. If not can you recomend a good expression pedal I am going to need it when I get my copy of the Garritan Strad' library and when AT2 stomp I/O comes out . It would really be the best if you can get a hold of that Synclavier hamrmonica sound. I know you will make good use of it.

Best regards,
Gordon