energyXT on Linux

[disturb]

I must i didn't quite understand jorgen's answer...

[glurgle]

It means that XT2 on linux will support VST plugins but not any current windows VST plugins. Plugins would have to be recompiled to work with linux, so it's up to the developers to do that.

Plugins that rely less on MS/apple libraries and functions would probably be easier to port. Such as plugins that let the host program draw the GUI. It also seems likely that commercial plugins that are already dual platform would potentially be easier to port, as long as there is a 'standard' way of mapping the required OS functions ('open file' dialogs and so on).

At least, that's what I think he's saying...

[disturb]

well that makes much more sense to me, thank you...

[moutkie]

the hell with linux, i want a DOS ext! , just kidding, sorry ,go on with the discussion.

[dolson]

Hey guys, I'm Dana from the Ubuntu Studio Project wiki site.

I just wanted to say that I am glad to have heard about the Linux port! It makes me happy to see that SOMEONE is caring about the Linux users! I truly believe that this will only be the start of many good things to come, and if it's true that Yamaha and Steinberg won't support Linux, then I say fsck them. They can be left behind if they choose. That's fine with me. Linux has nowhere to go but up, and Windows, well, what goes up...

Anyhow, there is an SDK already, that's how dssi-vst works. We can't distribute the dssi-vst source package, but I believe Forrest was working on sweet-talking a binary-only build into Ubuntu, eventually, as from the looks of it, this is permitted by the license. I believe it still uses Wine but just for the GUI stuff, which there isn't any way around, really.

Anyhow, I am sure someone will inform me the day that this port is out, and if I can afford it at the time, I will gladly pony up for a copy, even if I don't use it because I believe in supporting companies that truly support Linux. My only condition is that Wine is not used, nor Winelib (the only exception would be for VST stuff, but even then, having Wine be optional would be nice).

Extra bonus points for using GTK2. I'll be your bestest friend forever if you use GTK2!

Anyhow, this was my first (and possibly last, for now) post here because someone had mentioned this port on the Ubuntu Studio forums, and I figured I should show my support and gratitude. So, thanks for supporting Linux users! If the Linux version is a demo that can be unlockable with a registration key, please contact me if it's possible to include it in Canonical's "commercial" applications repository. I don't know if they will accept such an application, but I'd support it being there for ease of access for Ubuntu users, and so I'd try and find out what info I can for you.

Thanks again.

[keyman_sam]

Why cant people spend 99 bux and get windoze Xp?

Seriously.

[glurgle]

because it's not for sale for $99, and they don't want to use it even for free.

Seriously.

[bernhardtjeff]

Why cant people spend 99 bux and get windoze Xp?

Seriously.

uh-oh... saying this in a linux thread... i don't envy you.

if you really think it's just about the money, you're missing the reason why a lot of people use linux.

I truly believe that this will only be the start of many good things to come, and if it's true that Yamaha and Steinberg won't support Linux, then I say fsck them.

yeah, fsck 'em. ahh, gotta love that linux community spirit. "hey, if you're not with us, then fsck you."

[glurgle]

Community spirit applies only to those who are part of the community. If steinberg/yamaha etc are refusing to be part of it, why should the linux community give a f**k about them?

[paulmerchant]

Why cant people spend 99 bux and get windoze Xp?

Seriously.

Well, seriously, there are many, many reasons to not buy Windows XP. Let me count a few off the top off my head:

• Ubuntu is available (along with many other good distros) for $0.
  
  There are a lot of great applications that run best on Linux (or only run on Linux) for $0.
  
  GNU/Linux is inherently more secure than Windows XP.
  
  GNU/Linux is also more secure because most hackers, malware, spyware, etc. attack Windows.
  
  GNU/Linux can be more easily customized for the user or for the hardware. For example, just the Ubuntu project has Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu (along with side projects like Mepis). Other people completely customize the compilation of their Linux with distros like Gentoo.
  
  Linux is no longer only for geeks. Ubuntu (and other distro improvements), OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, The Gimp, Inkscape, Blender, Evolution, tons of media players, all the current support for cameras, scanners, printers (and things like ALSA, JACK, etc.) have changed all of that. A good Linux distribution can now give most users all the power they need (for $0).
  
  With GNU/Linux, you are part of a revolution. You are part of a community of volunteers and corporate developers (and hardware vendors) who believe that software is best when it is, at the very least, based on open standards.
  
  With GNU/Linux, devs can see more than just a partial API (they can see everything).
  
  We finally have an OS that is separate from the applications, where application developers can truly play on a level playing field and not feel constantly threatened by a giant monopoly that could take their business model away from them at any minute.
  
  Linux is terribly addictive.
  
  Microsoft needs a little competition.

Congrats to Jorgen for being wise enough to be an early commercial developer to support Linux (this, along with XT, shows that he truly is one of the smartest people on the planet).

[bernhardtjeff]

Community spirit applies only to those who are part of the community. If steinberg/yamaha etc are refusing to be part of it, why should the linux community give a f**k about them?

well, look, say someone doesn't want to join the linux community but the community could benefit from them joining. it would be a better idea for the community to continue trying to reach out and persuade than to simply say "f**k them," wouldn't it?

since when is the "linux community" about being so hostile towards those who don't want to join?

[glurgle]

Community spirit applies only to those who are part of the community. If steinberg/yamaha etc are refusing to be part of it, why should the linux community give a f**k about them?

well, look, say someone doesn't want to join the linux community but the community could benefit from them joining. it would be a better idea for the community to continue trying to reach out and persuade than to simply say "f**k them," wouldn't it?

Not really, it's a better idea for linux users to use linux software. If users want certain software compiled for linux then they need to ask the developers of said software, it's not up to the linux devs to do it for them.

Linux devs are not doing anything to prevent commercial software being developed on linux, quite the opposite in fact.

since when is the "linux community" about being so hostile towards those who don't want to join?

I think you're misinterpreting me. I'm not encouraging hostility towards those who don't want to join. I'm saying it's not usually worth an open source volunteers time to persuade a commercial software developer to port their products. The users have to create the demand, and when there is a demand, it's up to the commercial software dev to compile their software to work with the open source systems available. A commercial dev is equally welcome to make a request to an open source developer when he feels there is something lacking on their end. Not only that, he's equally free to fix it. The point is, if a commercial dev wants to keep their source closed, it's their responsibility to make their program work with linux, not the other way around.

[plastique]

since when is the "linux community" about being so hostile towards those who don't want to join?

I don't understand that either ... If arrogancy against other platforms or vendors is the way to win someone over to UbuntuStudio then that failed, at least with me.

[glurgle]

addendum - better than saying "f**k them" is recreating the functionality desired from a closed app in an open source one. While this is a lot of work, it's not dependant on the will of the closed source developer.

[plastique]

But after all, being the marketing muppet isn't always the pleasurable job either.