cycle through chords a la xpander (for asseca, ewi player)

[bernhardtjeff]

i posted earlier about midi pitch shifting and got some useful help, but now i've figured out how i really want to do it. i found this post by ewi player from last year. he was asking to do exactly the same thing i want to:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=111352

in short, i want to be able to cycle through a few preset chords (or more accurately, chord types) like one could apparently do on the old oberheim xpander or matrix 12. this might be something like cycle-round-robin on kontakt or battery, but with midi outputs being cycled through instead of samples; each successive note on sends the midi stream to a different output. i wonder if there's been any progress in figuring out how to do this from asseca or ewi player. ewi player seems to be mia for several months...

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Have you tried Playa? It doesn't do exactly what you want (it's a bit more sophisticated than that) but you may find you want what it does.

[djsubject]

Have you tried Playa?

Subz

[Amberience]

I think Soma had a plug that did something like this.

[glurgle]

rigging things like this is what I made my plugs for. basically you would feed a chords comp set to static chords ascending notes from note cycler, which would be triggered by your input MIDI. The input midi would also go to the 'transpose' channel on supertran, fed on the 'source' channel by the chords comp. Output from this would then go to a force2key plugin.

Easier to make than describe, but I've got to go to work 5 minutes ago.

[soma]

I think Soma had a plug that did something like this.

I made a midi table that will cycle through notes but not chords.
http://www.asseca.com/soma/uploads/Beta ... e_Beta.zip
Really Playa looks like what you need. There was a free predecessor too, just called Chordspace.

[glurgle]

sorry I forgot about this one until now. Anyways, here's the set up I was talking about before. You will need my SuperTran and Note Cycler plugins.

Note that the chords comp chords all need to be inversions on a C chord to transpose correctly. I used Cm7 so that I can set the MIDIForce2Key to "always up" and it will play all the chords in a major scale correctly.

you can add more inversions to taste, you just have to remember to turn the relevant note "on" in note cycler. Also, you can automate the toggle switchs on note cycler, so if you have anything you can send a CC with while playing the wind controller you can turn on/off sets of inversions (or toggle between two different sets etc.)

Let me know if you run into any trouble

edit - 2 things: One, you will want to turn on the button to use "Source Vel." at the top of note cycler. Two, this set up will only feed one synth at the moment, not multiple ones like EWIPlayer originally requested. I'd have to crack open synthmaker again to make a plugin to cycle through MIDI channels, since the chord comp always sends out on channel 1 no matter what the input channel is (seems like a bug to me).

[MotorsKill23]

Thanks for the plugins glurgle ...But I seem to have a problem with this setup and notes getting stuck. I also can think of a few other ways to do something similar that may be of interest. Will post an example as well after a coffee and smoke.

I gotta say, I really don't understand recommending ChordSpacePlaya to do what bernhardtjeff is asking for. Why spend $65US to do something so simple that several different freeware plugins can do. The demo timed out on my machine, but I didn't see anything I wasn't already doing in XT with free stuff I had.

[MotorsKill23]

I figured out why the stuck notes are happening with glurgles plugins,...it seems to need a NoteOn message with Velocity of 0 instead of NoteOff messages. My controller sends NoteOff messages with release velocity, so if you find you are getting hanging notes insert a mungrack with the rule *,NoteOff,*,*,0,127,N,*,NoteOn,*,*,0,0

Here is another example which gives seperate channels, so you can run the chords to seperate synths.
This requires PolyChannel plugin made by KvR user mbncp. (his site seems to be down)

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I gotta say, I really don't understand recommending ChordSpacePlaya to do what bernhardtjeff is asking for. Why spend $65US to do something so simple that several different freeware plugins can do. The demo timed out on my machine, but I didn't see anything I wasn't already doing in XT with free stuff I had.

Hey, that's ok. Not everyone understands it. But just as a point of fact, no combination of midi plugins (free or paid for) can replicate Playa's functionality.

[MotorsKill23]

I gotta say, I really don't understand recommending ChordSpacePlaya to do what bernhardtjeff is asking for. Why spend $65US to do something so simple that several different freeware plugins can do. The demo timed out on my machine, but I didn't see anything I wasn't already doing in XT with free stuff I had.

Hey, that's ok. Not everyone understands it. But just as a point of fact, no combination of midi plugins (free or paid for) can replicate Playa's functionality.

Well it's certainly not the right tool for this situation. As far as your point of "Fact" care to give me an example of this functionality I can't recreate? ...if you can I'll buy two copies.

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I gotta say, I really don't understand recommending ChordSpacePlaya to do what bernhardtjeff is asking for. Why spend $65US to do something so simple that several different freeware plugins can do. The demo timed out on my machine, but I didn't see anything I wasn't already doing in XT with free stuff I had.

Hey, that's ok. Not everyone understands it. But just as a point of fact, no combination of midi plugins (free or paid for) can replicate Playa's functionality.

Well it's certainly not the right tool for this situation. As far as your point of "Fact" care to give me an example of this functionality I can't recreate? ...if you can I'll buy two copies.

Are you sure? It'll cost you £70.

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I take it you've thought better of that challenge, MotorsKill?

[MotorsKill23]

I take it you've thought better of that challenge, MotorsKill?

On the contrary....I figured you couldn't think of anything yet.

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I take it you've thought better of that challenge, MotorsKill?

On the contrary....I figured you couldn't think of anything yet.

Sorry, I've been out, otherwise I'd have congratulated you on that cracking joke earlier.

ChordSpace Playa splits the keyboard into chord and melody sections.
When you hit a key in the chord section, the melody section (on the white keys) is dynamically locked to the correct scale or mode for that chord*.
This is unique. No other plugin has attempted anything this sophisticated and no combination of available plugins can replicate it.

I look forward to you keeping your side of the bargain.




*Actually it's it's a bit cleverer than this. Many chords can take a number of different scales or modes, Playa allows you to chose.