The bar for idiocy's been raised...

[ew]

I slept a night over it and my conclusion is : NI crossed the line !
They make VERY good stuff, but nobody may sniff in my privacy without explicite asking to.

IMO it is easy to predict that if they don't change that policy, this might be the beginning of the fall of the roman empire...

I'd rather would like to see them go on making wonderful software !

Max Predictor... .. .

During the original KORE install sequence, there's a dialog box saying that the program will search for and update NI plugins. You can quit the install at that time.

ew

[james0tucson]

Oh right, I get it. Kore scans your installed plugins. I thought it was just suspected by Marius when he said that, but if the technicalities of Kore mean that it scans your plugins to verify them, then I guess he is using them.

Or it could be a false positive, and somebody may be exposed to charges of slander.

[whyterabbyt]

Or it could be a false positive, and somebody may be exposed to charges of slander.

Utter nonsense. Just about all definitions of slander require malicious defamation.


Oh, and slander is spoken, its libel that is written.

[Max el Belga]

Of course you can quit the install at that time...

In this case it's also difficult to feel sympathy for the guy in question.

Now tell me how a software that's made to look after info X, comes up with info Y.
There we go over the line : maybe it looks also for info Z, etc...
You loose credibility acting this way.

I've heard it before : "If you don't have nothing to hide, let us in."
That was when I was young. Now you get the door (if it's your lucky day) on yer nose !

I'm afraid NI lost 1 client...

Sad Max... .. .

PS : they didn't find a thing !

[whyterabbyt]

Now tell me how a software that's made to look after info X, comes up with info Y.

No, why dont you tell us why software there to update software X, Y and Z isnt allowed to check for the presence of X, Y and Z.

There we go over the line : maybe it looks also for info Z, etc...
You loose credibility acting this way.

Ah, right. Well, if we're going to get into the realms of the purely hypothetical then why do you trust any software at all. After all, your host scans for plugins, so maybe its scanning for your bank details as well, right?

[aMUSEd]

They are not sniffing in anyone's privacy. They have a tool for updating NI software and only NI software that consists of a central register of all installed NI products and their serials and authorisations - it's not scanning your whole system for warez - its just a means of activating and update those products in one process. Of course if you send them the list of all your NI apps and some of them are not legit then they have a right to say sorry, we won't support those apps and ask for clarification of what is owned or not.

[ew]

Now tell me how a software that's made to look after info X, comes up with info Y.
There we go over the line : maybe it looks also for info Z, etc...
You loose credibility acting this way.

OK... NI says you need the Service Center to activate KORE. If you read about the Service Center, you'll see it handles activation/deactivation and updates for all your NI plugins. The consumer's been told what will happen...

Also, by your criteria I guess you don't update Windows either... that's exactly what Windows Update does (except WU does it on an even larger scale).

ew

[fanfarecircuit]

Now tell me how a software that's made to look after info X, comes up with info Y.
There we go over the line : maybe it looks also for info Z, etc...
You loose credibility acting this way.

OK... NI says you need the Service Center to activate KORE. If you read about the Service Center, you'll see it handles activation/deactivation and updates for all your NI plugins. The consumer's been told what will happen...

Also, by your criteria I guess you don't update Windows either... that's exactly what Windows Update does (except WU does it on an even larger scale).

ew

dude, what are you talking about?
if i try to activate windows xp, it activates windows xp. if i try to activate office it activates office. when i activate frontpage, it doesn't look for publisher. done all this many times.
the fact you come to kvr to slam some customer at ni, after you close the thread, and deny the guy the ability to talk whatever shit, is why i'm mostly disgusted. doesn't seem like good moderation. these forums are all visited by alot of us. my skin would crawl if i saw my problem with another company and forum advertised here under the title "you're a fuckin idiot". get a clue, dude. you're doing this customer wrong as a moderator of that forum. and you're full of nonsense about the copy protection issue.

[OverDose]

and the guy bought his kore, so he was a customer, a bad one maybe, but he paid for his kore after all, maybe he would have paid for something else just to be able to actually use it, now he'll probably just send it back to the store and there goes a sale.

but anyway, "The bar for idiocy's been raised"...

yet again.

[ew]

Now tell me how a software that's made to look after info X, comes up with info Y.
There we go over the line : maybe it looks also for info Z, etc...
You loose credibility acting this way.

OK... NI says you need the Service Center to activate KORE. If you read about the Service Center, you'll see it handles activation/deactivation and updates for all your NI plugins. The consumer's been told what will happen...

Also, by your criteria I guess you don't update Windows either... that's exactly what Windows Update does (except WU does it on an even larger scale).

ew

dude, what are you talking about?
if i try to activate windows xp, it activates windows xp. if i try to activate office it activates office. when i activate frontpage, it doesn't look for publisher. done all this many times.
the fact you come to kvr to slam some customer at ni, after you close the thread, and deny the guy the ability to talk whatever shit, is why i'm mostly disgusted. doesn't seem like good moderation. these forums are all visited by alot of us. my skin would crawl if i saw my problem with another company and forum advertised here under the title "you're a fuckin idiot". get a clue, dude. you're doing this customer wrong as a moderator of that forum. and you're full of nonsense about the copy protection issue.

Did I say anything about activating Windows? If you'd read my post, I said Windows Update...

If Marius wanted to reopen the thread, he could have; as I stated in my original post, he inserted his comment after I had sent him an e-mail saying I was closing the thread...

Finally, did you stop and think why I'm the moderator of two forums over there? I'm a moderator because I know the product fairly well, and I'm helpful in solving issues. I DON'T get rattled very easily; as most people on this forum will tell you, it takes a lot to piss me off. The fact that Sinmad managed to do so a number of times should speak volumes in itself...

I think somebody else needs to get a clue here...

Next:

and the guy bought his kore, so he was a customer, a bad one maybe, but he paid for his kore after all, maybe he would have paid for something else just to be able to actually use it, now he'll probably just send it back to the store and there goes a sale.

What are the chances of that happening, when he was asked politely to remove his cracked NI plugins so that he could authorize the thing and he refused? Not only that, but he had the gall to complain about it? Slim to none...

ew

[fanfarecircuit]

Now tell me how a software that's made to look after info X, comes up with info Y.
There we go over the line : maybe it looks also for info Z, etc...
You loose credibility acting this way.

OK... NI says you need the Service Center to activate KORE. If you read about the Service Center, you'll see it handles activation/deactivation and updates for all your NI plugins. The consumer's been told what will happen...

Also, by your criteria I guess you don't update Windows either... that's exactly what Windows Update does (except WU does it on an even larger scale).

ew

dude, what are you talking about?
if i try to activate windows xp, it activates windows xp. if i try to activate office it activates office. when i activate frontpage, it doesn't look for publisher. done all this many times.
the fact you come to kvr to slam some customer at ni, after you close the thread, and deny the guy the ability to talk whatever shit, is why i'm mostly disgusted. doesn't seem like good moderation. these forums are all visited by alot of us. my skin would crawl if i saw my problem with another company and forum advertised here under the title "you're a fuckin idiot". get a clue, dude. you're doing this customer wrong as a moderator of that forum. and you're full of nonsense about the copy protection issue.

Did I say anything about activating Windows? If you'd read my post, I said Windows Update...

If Marius wanted to reopen the thread, he could have; as I stated in my original post, he inserted his comment after I had sent him an e-mail saying I was closing the thread...

Finally, did you stop and think why I'm the moderator of two forums over there? I'm a moderator because I know the product fairly well, and I'm helpful in solving issues. I DON'T get rattled very easily; as most people on this forum will tell you, it takes a lot to piss me off. The fact that Sinmad managed to do so a number of times should speak volumes in itself...

I think somebody else needs to get a clue here...

Next:

and the guy bought his kore, so he was a customer, a bad one maybe, but he paid for his kore after all, maybe he would have paid for something else just to be able to actually use it, now he'll probably just send it back to the store and there goes a sale.

What are the chances of that happening, when he was asked politely to remove his cracked NI plugins so that he could authorize the thing and he refused? Not only that, but he had the gall to complain about it? Slim to none...

ew

i refered to activation per product by microsoft because we are talking about the activation of kore and you brought it up. anyway, using microsoft update i can choose to update any component as well as full product and microsoft does not check all software before updating one.
example: just days prior to this thread i was doing some work at an office in town. a machine that had office 2000 and frontpage 2000 was having trouble getting updates on those products. the registry had been damaged and microsoft refused to update the products without the installation cd's. the office had misplaced them and were out of luck. frontpage needed the update so badly, we just bought a new copy of frontpage 2003. anyway, guess what? i successfully used windows update to update all other windows xp components despite this problem. if this was native instruments, i would have been locked out...despite windows xp being a seperate purchase from office and frontpage. so that's my point. maybe you understand now.

as far as your opening this thread, i don't need to debate with you the rudeness of degrading a native instruments customer at this forum. if you have an affiliation with native instruments, you have a responsibility to represent them in a professional manner. starting this nonsense alone makes me question your integrity. in addition, you abused your power by closing the thread prematurely and censored someone who might very well be a paying customer, not for you to decide as a moderator of a support forum. i saw nothing violent, racist, threatening, pornographic, or offensive in the original thread. you closed it because it bothered you personally. you admit that here. not cool in my book. thank you for bringing this to my attention. as a paying native instruments customer, i will be bringing this to their attention. because i'm pro-active like that. and i enjoy defending people who do not have the opportunity to defend themselves.

[fanfarecircuit]

seriously, man.
you're publicly calling this guy a thief across the board. what right do you have to do that? looking at the facts it's almost definite he bought kore. maybe he's turning a corner and is being really put off by your attitude and an arguably overzealous protection system. i want to see the guy buy stuff, but you need to treat people with respect and bring 'em aboard. i can honestly say...if i was using warez, decided to buy kore and start getting straight, i'd be real put off by this situation and possibly go back to warez.
love...it's the best way

[OverDose]

and the guy bought his kore, so he was a customer, a bad one maybe, but he paid for his kore after all, maybe he would have paid for something else just to be able to actually use it, now he'll probably just send it back to the store and there goes a sale.

What are the chances of that happening, when he was asked politely to remove his cracked NI plugins so that he could authorize the thing and he refused? Not only that, but he had the gall to complain about it? Slim to none...

So you are almost convinced that being nice or "professional" is useless in this situation, that's understandable, the guy is using illegal copies afterall, he did make an investment and bought kore, but that's not enough to excuse him for trying to use it with cracked apps, right?, i'm cool with that too...are the chances of he buying something from NI again really close to none?...i guess that could be the case, but i wouldn't make such afirmation without knowing the dude, in anyway, i think that people expect a little more from moderators, i guess that you are as useful as you claim to be, but comming to another forum to basically call one of your customers an idiocy's bar raiser is not so cool, it looks too human i guess.

The new security scheme seems to be quite smart, and it should work by itself, i don't think copy protection needs cheerleading if your protection actually works, and in this case it worked, this guy will have to choose between not using apps he probably like with his new controller, return the controller or simply buy the app he wish to use, he already made an investment and gave his money to NI, i know is not something to celebrate, but maybe he's giving what it could be his first step to stop being a hobbyist using cracked software and take himself seriously and respect other people's work, maybe that's not the case tho..i don't know..and now niether will you.

About the copy pretection thing being intrusive and scanning your computer i think is rather silly to see it that way, it just handles all of your authorized products from a certain brand, it sounds really useful, and i wouldn't mind a company searching my compuer for products they have sold to me, they already know wich of their apps i own anyway, so they're not getting any new information, it's just a way to organize and protect themselves, and at the same time give a good service to their customer base.

I wonder tho, why did you started this thread?.

[OverDose]

wow, your post looks a lot like mine, you type faster tho, we should have beer or something.

[XDVarenkor]

I wish i could register my NI Session i got with CM...i forgot what email addy i registered it with intially and that's locked me out altogether

I just lost interest in it altogether. What's the point of such invasive copy protection on magware? Or on anything, for that matter? Punish those legitimate end-users! Punish them! 'Best ever software giveaway?' My arse. It's not as if it's even worth it for the sounds.