VSTis as good as hardware? Similar to Access Virus Quality?

[tony tony chopper]

babya sucks

I hope you're kidding, babya virus is the closest emulation of a virus ever made. Its filters sound exactly like a virus. Any pro will tell you that. And in case you didn't know, babya bought access recently.

[Algorythm]

@snooky, maybe cause somepeople pay alot of money for the hardware, and then see some cheap software popup, it can be quite harsh for them to take. Not saying that is the case with oblagon, but it could be

This is veeeery true!!! (not for oblagon..generally)

[nuffink]

soundpalace, for pure sound quality there is the korg collection, arturia, and Minimonsta. Thats it. all the other synths mentioned sound like shit if your talking "just" sound quality.
None of those though can touch a virus filter. Just save up and get a used virus b if you want something like the virus, there is no other choice.
Thats not to say that alot of the synths mentioned here are not amazing. Take absynth for example, the sound quality of the oscilators is terrible but when the whole thing comes togather absynth can make sounds a virus could not touch.
Buy a real virus, then look for softsynths that make other sounds to compliment the virus.
The truth is that these smaller software companies can't compete with a whole team of mad german DSP gurus. There is no sense for the softsynth companies to spend the time/money in refineing the algorithms to the point of a virus or good hardware korg synth, most people can't hear the difference anyway.

Another stamp collector. No tunes. No www. No clue. Same M.O. as all the other stamp collectors.

I'll bet he's got an apogee.

sorry your ears are not as refined. Really though I don't think this is a good thing. Its highly distracting from actually making music. I hardly have no clue though. I started with synths programming csound in 1995, started with generator in 1999, have owned a kurzweil k2000, virus b, q, korg oasys and nord modular. I don't own any hardware right now because even though i can hear the extreme difference between albino and a virus, the ease of use of the albino/softsynths and the fact that no one who just listens to electronic music and isnt into synths would even care.

This is a stupid topic, if you can't hear the difference between a good hardware synth vs softsynths sound quality wise its because you either don't know what you are listening for or you simply can't hear the difference period.You are in the same boat as basically 99.9999% of the people who will listen to your music so who cares. Same with analog vs digital synths, they sound totally different but no listening to the final product would care what made the sound, just if it sounds interesting or not.

I am not knocking softsynths, i'm just knocking the idiots who come on boards like this and tell the people who can hear the difference that they can't.

This is a perfect example of why kvr needs a bookie.

I respond with "You do realise that a virus is a softsynth" and while awaiting knot's reply I can get:-

1:2 Some half baked nonsense about D/A converters
13:8 A load of ill informed stuff about the power of DSP chips
7:2 A riff along the lines of "I know what I hear. I'm a Ferengi"

knot gets to vent a bit. I pick up my winnings.

Where's the downside?

[james0tucson]

I have long suspected that the perceived quality of synths often is a result of its effects and filters, more than anything else. Turn off effects and filters on some of your favorite Virus patches, and see if you still think the sound is too amazing to be done by software.

not that i care, and i certainly don't want a virus, but that statement is really rather obvious.

its like saying that food is good cos of half the ingedients, or that a car is good cos of the tyres and gearbox. of course these things make them good, they are integral to the end result.

Wel, sort of, I guess. But I get the impression that people are looking for a synth to generate tones like their favorite hardware, when they really should be looking for *effects*. If they bothered to turn off the effects on their synths, they'd discover how cheezy the tone really is before it gets resonated and filtered and eq'd and delayed reverbed and so on.

And there certainly *are* good effects out there in VST land.

[james0tucson]

I will repeat this again: Clavia didn't even bother to respond to DiscoDSP email about the legality of their plugin.

As a matter of fact we have received several mails from Clavia. Of course I'm not going to disclose what happened.

I hope you did the right thing (which was drop the letters in the wastebasket, since none of them was actually a court order...)

[oblagon]

I will repeat this again: Clavia didn't even bother to respond to DiscoDSP email about the legality of their plugin.

As a matter of fact we have received several mails from Clavia. Of course I'm not going to disclose what happened.

In one of your posts you stated something different. That was a while ago though. Sorry about being presumptuous. Discovery is a fine synth in its own right.

why this hate for fine software that DO sound like it's counterpart?!

Are you an elitist WANKER!?!?!?!?

WTF are you talking about ?? I sold all my gear to use vst plugs. I used both hard and software. You're a clueless clown that knows next to nothing.

[oblagon]

@snooky, maybe cause somepeople pay alot of money for the hardware, and then see some cheap software popup, it can be quite harsh for them to take. Not saying that is the case with oblagon, but it could be

@tony, babya sucks, try mcaffee!

@vvanrij, I totally agree

If you're refering to me than NOOPE. I'm not a NL fan, elitist nor hw owner. I'm ex Nord lead user who is simply poiting out your lunacy. If you want NL or Virus get exactly that. Each has its own sound that has no substitues. I don't mean saw leads. I gave you exact example of what is obviously different in NL. What i get in return is a couple of morons retorting with 'wanker' and 'elitist'. Exact response you get from clueless morons.

[pdxindy]

@snooky, maybe cause somepeople pay alot of money for the hardware, and then see some cheap software popup, it can be quite harsh for them to take. Not saying that is the case with oblagon, but it could be

This is veeeery true!!! (not for oblagon..generally)

yup... all those thousands on hardware when hundreds on software gets ya just as good a sound... people want to feel like they got the elite thing. Hardware gets you some nice advantages, but sound quality is not one of them

[jacobh]

I am posting a snip demonstrating a simple arp from a virus. Can anyone here recreate this sound with a VSTI and post the results? I've been unsuccessful to date. I have come the closest with Zero Vector but still a little weak.

I just picked this particular sound because it's nice and punchy and shows a little about the quality of the filters.

Good luck and remember to post those results!:shock:

ftp://godgiventalentonline.com/public_html/music/

Correction to this link...

http://www.godgiventalentonline.com/music/

just about to listen
Fots

Here is an aproximation of the sound using another synth...

http://mindtrick.com/music/Virus_Arp1.mp3

Can anyone guess what synth it is? How do you like the sound?

Thanks,
Jacob

[bryanf]

Its not a good sound, and I will guess it is a virus with a bad patch

[jacobh]

No, it's not a virus! That's just what I was emulating.

Any other guesses?

[Summa]

A virus would have more high hiss in its sound and a more pleasing filter. A wild guess would be Vanguard...

[YUGA]

subtractor

[the_nihilist]

I am posting a snip demonstrating a simple arp from a virus. Can anyone here recreate this sound with a VSTI and post the results? I've been unsuccessful to date. I have come the closest with Zero Vector but still a little weak.

I just picked this particular sound because it's nice and punchy and shows a little about the quality of the filters.

Good luck and remember to post those results!:shock:

ftp://godgiventalentonline.com/public_html/music/

Correction to this link...

http://www.godgiventalentonline.com/music/

just about to listen
Fots

Here is an aproximation of the sound using another synth...

http://mindtrick.com/music/Virus_Arp1.mp3

Can anyone guess what synth it is? How do you like the sound?

Thanks,
Jacob

Synth1 of course.

Though xhip could probably pull it off quite well too.

[fgimian]

I am posting a snip demonstrating a simple arp from a virus. Can anyone here recreate this sound with a VSTI and post the results? I've been unsuccessful to date. I have come the closest with Zero Vector but still a little weak.

I just picked this particular sound because it's nice and punchy and shows a little about the quality of the filters.

Good luck and remember to post those results!:shock:

ftp://godgiventalentonline.com/public_html/music/

Correction to this link...

http://www.godgiventalentonline.com/music/

just about to listen
Fots

Here is an aproximation of the sound using another synth...

http://mindtrick.com/music/Virus_Arp1.mp3

Can anyone guess what synth it is? How do you like the sound?

Thanks,
Jacob

Not bad at all. I think the low mids sound way too heavy in this.

I have no idea which synth it is actually. The filter is the main thing that sounds a little different to the original example.

Cheers
Fots