VSTis as good as hardware? Similar to Access Virus Quality?

[aciddose]

try http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/adxhip.dll

i've used a very simplified method for unison. adjusting pulsewidth outside of 0 while using the sawwave will control unison detune amount. i do not have it set up perfectly, you'll notice it seems to be out of tune, unlike the main unison. but you can get 16 unisoned saw waves per osc, meaning you can do 32 per voice, and unison 16 voices at once. i can get a few (5 or 6) voices like this on my p3 550.

so, 32*16 = 512

512 saws enough for ya?

[gsoto]

Thanks for the comments. I'm sure many people here could get a better sound, I'm still a beginner.
I tried to improve the patch on suggestions from tony tony and aciddose without much success.

There is your Virus:
http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/xhip_virus_arp.adxi
Remember to add unison. I used two panned instances with the same patch (the randomness creates the stereo, Xhip still hasn't unison panning).
(Add Unison Randomization for more stereo randomness.)

[BONES]

Great thread!
Here is my attempt with Xhip on the Virus sound:
http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/xhip_virus_arp.mp3

No more VNV Nation for you, young man, or any of you for that matter. Is that really all you guys are looking for? microX has half a dozen presets like that. They make us laugh they are so cheesy. With all those effects you're all piling on you could probably do it with one One Ping Only.

[aciddose]

using the new 'supersaw' mode on xhip, nearly realtime on my p3 550.

http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/viruseatsxhipsballs.mp3

try it.

[fgimian]

I've given this a shot too, I won't say which synth just yet

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 8d55ec2af2

I found this synth's filters very similar to the Virus in behaviour.

Also please note that in the phaser part of the melody, I have extended a few notes since I thought it sounded better.

Please let me know if you like it

Cheers
Fots

I like it. Clean, full sound, not muddy.

The differences I hear with this clip

the original the filter closed back down more towards the end than this one does.
I think the key follow on the filter cutoff is more on the original than this one.
this one uses a ping pong type delay and the original doesn't


I think gsoto matched the original closer, but the basic character of the sound seems less full and round and pleasing.

yep I agree with you, to be honest I wasn't comparing to the original when I did this, it was just from memory.

I think this sound is indeed thicker unintentionally, the original seems to use way less oscs, this one uses ... 8 voice unison if i remember right. I used Zebra2 for it

Also I didn't close the filter towards the end, my bad I completely forgot to do it

Fots

[fgimian]

using the new 'supersaw' mode on xhip, nearly realtime on my p3 550.

http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/viruseatsxhipsballs.mp3

try it.

sounds incredible !

Fots

[jacobh]

I made a new version of the patch. Here it is:

http://mindtrick.com/music/Virus_Arp2.mp3

Nice thing about this version, is that it uses hardly any CPU! Yes, it's still a Combinator.

[The Chase]

holy reverb 80's (still sounds nice though, granted a bit too much of what sounds like a phaser)

[bryanf]

What I find interesting with all of the postings here is that there are clear differences in the sounds, but IMHO the alternatives sound just as usable and convincing in the context of a mix.

I agree, there's lots of similar trance arp sounds and many of them are good. Maybe its more about how easy it is to get that sound and reproduce it again at a later date. Recreating an old project is hard in hardware synths because you have to load the patches you used back then. Recreating in software can be even harder if you change hosts and VSTi's frequently

Biased Opinion: There is a wonderful twangy rubber band element in the original Virus sample which hasn't been captured yet.

B

[oblagon]

I will repeat this again: Clavia didn't even bother to respond to DiscoDSP email about the legality of their plugin.

As a matter of fact we have received several mails from Clavia. Of course I'm not going to disclose what happened.

In one of your posts you stated something different. That was a while ago though. Sorry about being presumptuous. Discovery is a fine synth in its own right.

why this hate for fine software that DO sound like it's counterpart?!

Are you an elitist WANKER!?!?!?!?

WTF are you talking about ?? I sold all my gear to use vst plugs. I used both hard and software. You're a clueless clown that knows next to nothing.

or, do I know nothing to next?

that's the question.

clown.

Eh, my mistake. It's not next to nothig. You know exactly nothing. That isn't debatable.

Vsti usage is responsible for as much phobias and delusions as hardware elitism

[aciddose]

the 'rubber band' tone is from a combination of filtering after unison, and driving into the filter with some saturation applied. i'm not sure if xhip can do the exact sound, since it might be to do with a different envelope shape as well, but using a couple detuned saws, or pcm in xhip i've gotten that effect pleanty of times.

it is also dependant upon the exact amount of envelope applied to the filter. getting the cutoff and envelope depths just right can be difficult. i'm not sure if the virus uses mixing of cutoff/envelope like most analog subtractives, or does some strange type of scaling like many digital implementations do, it might be related to that too. the type of phaser/chorus over the whole thing is really important too. with junos, you do not get the same rich filter sounds without the chorus on.

it could also be due to the waveshaping applied afterward, i dont know about what type of waveshaping effects the virus has, but since it has so many other effects i'm sure it has some waveshapers as well.

ultimately, does it really matter? we're talking about a plain saw with filter twerp and various effects here. how much more generic can you get?

[crimsontider]

As soon as the xhip attempt was deemed the best of the bunch I noticed that over in the xhip thread acidose and co were proclaiming it to be superior to the virus and basically kicking sand in the face of this thread.

I'll admit that xhip has a lot of potential but a little humility would go a long way.

[BONES]

There is your Virus:
http://xhip.cjb.net/temp/public/xhip_virus_arp.adxi
Remember to add unison. I used two panned instances with the same patch (the randomness creates the stereo, Xhip still hasn't unison panning).
(Add Unison Randomization for more stereo randomness.)

Jesus H. Christ! Playing that VNV riff with 8x Unison your patch uses more CPU than any of our songs. i.e. At least 4 times more CPU than my hungriest SE VSTi. That's just stupid.

[snooky]

As a matter of fact we have received several mails from Clavia. Of course I'm not going to disclose what happened.

In one of your posts you stated something different. That was a while ago though. Sorry about being presumptuous. Discovery is a fine synth in its own right.

why this hate for fine software that DO sound like it's counterpart?!

Are you an elitist WANKER!?!?!?!?

WTF are you talking about ?? I sold all my gear to use vst plugs. I used both hard and software. You're a clueless clown that knows next to nothing.

or, do I know nothing to next?

that's the question.

clown.

Eh, my mistake. It's not next to nothig. You know exactly nothing. That isn't debatable.

Vsti usage is responsible for as much phobias and delusions as hardware elitism

what is a VSTi?

isn't this the banancreampie and underpants forum?

[gsoto]

BONES, I'm glad you wanted to use my patch. I didn't know what VNV Nation is; now I do.