KVR Audio

bsork · Post by **bsork** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:05 am

Cubase can be installed on more than one computer, but I have a suggestion for live software if you're willing to do a bit of simple connect-boxes-by-wires type of programming: check out the donationware program Usine at http://www.sensomusic.com. It's not a typical VST host or DAW, but geared towards live improvisation and manipulation.

It can do quite more advanced things than what I suspect you're planning on, but it can be used in quite a simple way to.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:07 am

spaceman wrote:I heard Reaper is quite good.. the GUI alone will have the audience enthralled.. and not to mention the advanced quantization and saving options

Meloday · Post by **Meloday** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:07 am

Bidule anyone? It really is a great live tool. And, yes, Usine is amazing as well.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:09 am

I still think live Lite + eXT is his best bet

and he can upgrade to full Live later for a decent rice if he want to

Bidule is amazing but in my experience not always stable. Although having said that, for what he wants to do it will probably run just fine

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:52 am

bsork wrote:Cubase can be installed on more than one computer, but I have a suggestion for live software if you're willing to do a bit of simple connect-boxes-by-wires type of programming: check out the donationware program Usine at http://www.sensomusic.com. It's not a typical VST host or DAW, but geared towards live improvisation and manipulation.

It can do quite more advanced things than what I suspect you're planning on, but it can be used in quite a simple way to.

thanks for giving the same link of usine software that i just put just 2 post above , it shows how many people read the entire thread silly rabbit

having said all the cons i have torward "people " using live
i still need my 249 euros to upgrade from live lite 4 to 6 before october 31 !

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:15 pm

Vonbrucken wrote: 1) because it is ported on mac

Undoubtedly helps being cross platform.

2) most of the artist you are talking weren't computer based musician ...

I probably didn't quite get your point (language) but if you check the full list of Ableton artists it is a fairly even mix between instrumental players, full-on electronic musicians, and DJs. And yes, I suspect that a fairly significant proportion of those people are Mac-based... but overall the Ableton user-base consists of many, many PC users. So on their forum we can all have lots of good debates about that issue

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:32 pm

yes i was only talking about their featured power users

bsork · Post by **bsork** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:03 pm

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thanks for giving the same link of usine software that i just put just 2 post above , it shows how many people read the entire thread silly rabbit

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It's nice to know you've had a laugh - could it be that I started writing before you clicked Submit...?

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:43 pm

hehe maybe

edit but you must be really slow then

dgkenney · Post by **dgkenney** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:13 pm

Vonbrucken wrote: (i am a guitarist since the age of 13(ans still) and pratice music on computers since around 95)

Wow!! You have to be the oldest k-V-r member ever

Dan

Vonbrucken · Post by **Vonbrucken** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:25 pm

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:54 am

bastien wrote:Yeah, what sort of idiot would want to improvise?

Certainly no act I have ever seen and enjoyed. That kind of carry-on is disgustingly self-indulgent, it makes me sick.

chrom wrote:what do you mean with "less taxing"? is EnergyXT better than cubase & would be ok? or is it like cubase?

Without having done a direct comparison, eXT seems to have been built to have a much smaller footprint - to use as little RAM or CPU as possible. It certainly "feels" very efficient, running it as a VSTi with other VSTi running inside it seems just as efficient, CPU-wise, as just running the other VSTi by themselves.

runagate wrote:BONES, do you think that you personally drive down the sales of Orion?

Who knows or cares? I got nothing to do with them, although the fewer idiots that use it, the better it is for the rest of us.

Do you actually know who John Scofield is? I'm just curious; I'm aware of the fact that you hate everyone that's not you.

He'd be the guitarist who said this:
"I wanted to make a real jazz-improvising statement in a live situation with two of my favorite musicians... You don't rely on arrangements as much as on the way the group plays together. You don't rely on anything other than good playing, and you know there's no lifejacket or safety net involved."
Obviously he knows more about using computers to make music than anyone else, right? I mean, all you need to do is look at the extensive equipment list on his site to see he's all over the latest and greatest things happenning in the world of computer music.

Hovmod wrote:I'm working on a performance where near random input from various sensors and even audience plays a big role, which means no rehearsal is possible.

You won't be too offended if I skip that one, will you? Sounds like the very death of entertainment to me.

I can easily imagine the need to insert effects or tracks or whatever in realtime without stopping everything else.

As I asked previously, couldn't you do that with pretty much any host?

bsork wrote:check out the donationware program Usine at http://www.sensomusic.com. It's not a typical VST host or DAW, but geared towards live improvisation and manipulation.

Blah, blah, blah.. Did you even notice that the guy says he doesn't want to do live arrangement?

spaceman wrote:I still think live Lite + eXT is his best bet
and he can upgrade to full Live later for a decent rice if he want to
Bidule is amazing but in my experience not always stable. Although having said that, for what he wants to do it will probably run just fine

Does anyone replying on this thread even have a brain? Do any of you understand what "rehearsal" is? Or that Live migh tonly actually be good for a certain type of live performance which just may have absolutely nothing to do with what Chrom needs?

I still think that pretty much any host will do what you need,
Chrom, so your decision may well come down to price. The big advantage of something like eXT is that it can be loaded into itself as a VSTi, so you could have each of your song load an instance of the VSTi inside eXT. So you would programme everything one song at a time and then load eXT with 10 VSTi versions [or however many you need], with each one loaded with a different song. Then you can sequence the song order in the master instance. I've not tried it but it should work.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:16 am

I see you're on good form BONES

BONES wrote:
I can easily imagine the need to insert effects or tracks or whatever in realtime without stopping everything else.
As I asked previously, couldn't you do that with pretty much any host?

Not without risking audio dropouts, etc, no. Live's gapless audio engine give a higher degree of prioritisation to continuity than most other hosts do. If I tried to do the stuff Live handels "gaplessly" in Sonar, Tracktion, Audition, etc, often the audio would break up or simply stop.

BONES wrote:
Do you actually know who John Scofield is? I'm just curious; I'm aware of the fact that you hate everyone that's not you.
He'd be the guitarist who said this:
"I wanted to make a real jazz-improvising statement in a live situation with two of my favorite musicians... You don't rely on arrangements as much as on the way the group plays together. You don't rely on anything other than good playing, and you know there's no lifejacket or safety net involved."
Obviously he knows more about using computers to make music than anyone else, right? I mean, all you need to do is look at the extensive equipment list on his site to see he's all over the latest and greatest things happenning in the world of computer music.

Well for starters you obviously don't dig jazz - or attenpt to really understand it's context/culture. Which is perfectly fair enough of course

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Most modern jazz players are pretty versatile instrumentalists who enjoy wide variety in their work. But in terms of technology you need to put John's statements and website in the context of the fact he has a BAND. And in that band, the other memebers all contribute too (radical, huh?). One of his band is Avi Bortnick, who handles the technology side of their performances. By using Live on stage - which they consider to be a "member of the band"

- they can be as entirely spontaneous as they like (as per the quote from John you cited), while still including electronic elements.

http://www.ableton.com/pages/artists/bortnick/interview

I realise that is not what you are personally into, and I also realise that it goes well beyond what Chrom was requesting. But given the thread title, it is not suprising that several people jumped in suggesting Live (I was not one of them of course - I only joined in once people started debating Live's features).

Hovmod · Post by **Hovmod** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:14 am

BONES wrote:
Hovmod wrote:I'm working on a performance where near random input from various sensors and even audience plays a big role, which means no rehearsal is possible.
You won't be too offended if I skip that one, will you? Sounds like the very death of entertainment to me.

No, I won't be offended if you don't show up. What's offensive is that you seem to think that if anyone is doing something you don't want to do (or attend) they're ridiculous idiots. That's where I might get a wee bit offended.

I can easily imagine the need to insert effects or tracks or whatever in realtime without stopping everything else.
As I asked previously, couldn't you do that with pretty much any host?

Don't really know - the guy said Live has some kind of special never-stopping audio engine. I have no idea about the validity of that statement (or the uniqueness of it if it's true), I was just confirming the possibility of a need for on-the-fly insertion of something while not interrupting the performance, which was too ridiculous for you to even contemplate.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:32 am

headquest wrote:Not without risking audio dropouts, etc, no. Live's gapless audio engine give a higher degree of prioritisation to continuity than most other hosts do. If I tried to do the stuff Live handels "gaplessly" in Sonar, Tracktion, Audition, etc, often the audio would break up or simply stop.

Really? That seems to have been an obsession with plenty of ORION users for as long as I can remember so I figured it was how everything else performed. As a consequence I'm pretty sure I can do all that kind of stuff without any glitching, etc.

Well for starters you obviously don't dig jazz - or attenpt to really understand it's context/culture. Which is perfectly fair enough of course .

Of course I do, it makes me sick. Its total self-indulgence.

Most modern jazz players are pretty versatile instrumentalists who enjoy wide variety in their work. But in terms of technology you need to put John's statements and website in the context of the fact he has a BAND. And in that band, the other memebers all contribute too (radical, huh?).

I have a band and we contribute very evenly. In fact the next album will feature considerably more of Sik's work than mine.

I think that if you want to understand the mindset of such folk, you need look no further than the first post in this thread:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 40&start=0
Here's a professional guy with an interest in computer music who really knows f**k all about what is available. All the products he's listed are boxes available from music retailers, nothing more. There's a whole 'nuther world out there that the mainstream of music professionals are completely ignorant of.

looking for a vst-host for live-performance