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I don't yet own a guitar synth. Maybe someday... But I want my upcoming synth, Poly-Ana, to support MIDI guitar in 6 channel MONO mode.

As you guitar synth players know, there's usually 2 ways to control a synth with a guitar. POLY (normal, which any polyphonic MIDI compatible synth supports) and MONO mode, which is rarely supported by synths.

POLY mode is poorly suited to representing a guitar though. In POLY mode, there's only one pitch bend for the entire MIDI channel, so there's no way to express the bending of individual guitar strings. Also, on guitar it's possible the play the same note on more than one string, and this is a fuzzy area on a single MIDI channel. When one of the 2 duplicate notes ends, there's no way to predict which one the synth will cut (if it even started two of the same note, many won't.)

In MONO mode however, you typically pick a MIDI channel from 1 - 11, that represents the monophonic sound of the first guitar string, then the next 5 successive MIDI channels are used to represet the rest of the strings, each one to be played with a monophonic synth voice. Not enough guitar synth players do this, because not enough synths can support it. But I want mine to!!! AFAIC, this is the ONLY way to control a synth from a MIDI guitar controller! :hihi:

So, to test, I'm going to need some examples. To the person who posts the best example, I'll give a free license of Poly-Ana (when it's released... hopefully in beta before the end of this month) as well as SCAMP. Also note that Poly-Ana may be released as Beta before I actually get the MONO guitar synth feature working, but the feature WILL be added, before version 1.0.

Sorry but I can't give everyone a free copy, so this has to be done contest style. Play me a nice piece (doesn't have to be very long) in MIDI MONO MODE on 6 channels!!! NOT POLY MODE on one channel! Make a .MID file out of it (for other formats and/or project files, contact me), post it (or email to me if you're shy, though I'll be posting the winner just for the record), and please make sure it's got both some vibrato/whammy (assuming you have one, you won't be disqualified if you're a hard tail. And if you do whammy, preferably do it up AND down in pitch) But you must absolutely include some individual string bending (obviously strings only bend up) of at least 2 different strings, together and at different times (and be sure to tell me what your controller's bend range was set to in semitones.)

Oh, one other rule, it has to actually be YOU doing it, because I may need to interview you about some stuff. So don't send me someone else's demo that you located.

If you can also provide an .MP3 or .wav audio out version of the same performance (as clean a sound as possible please, distortion won't help) that will GREATLY increase your chances of winning. Though it's not strictly necessary.

This isn't a talent contest, per se. Your song, someone else's, a few chords and some noodling, I don't care... I just need some test material. Yes, you should be able to play well enough that it doesn't sound awful and your string bends are on pitch. Variety is good, i.e. play some loud AND some quiet parts. Some chords AND leads. But you don't need to be Pat Metheny (though he's welcome to enter! :D ) The winner will be the best TEST material, not necessarily the best performance.

Not sure of the time period on this contest. It'll be over when I announce a winner... and that will depend on how fast entries come in, as well as my available time. I also can't guarantee when Poly-Ana will come out, but I'm in the final stretch so it *should* be within the next few weeks. Poly-Ana will cost $69.95 (USD) while it's in Beta, then will be $129.95 once it hits version 1.0, probably in another month or two. SCAMP is currently $39.95, and is going up to $69.95 on Sept 1. So, $109.90 worth of prize software. That's gotta be worth an hour's work?

(KVR Mods: I'm posting this under Instruments, as it's in regard to R&D for an instrument, but if it's more appropriate in another board, go ahead and move it.)

Thanks in advance everyone. And good luck!
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I think I can help you out here. I don't own a 13pin system like
Roland or Axxon but I do own a Yamaha EZ-EG. Which, if I'm
not mistaken, generates the type of midi you're looking for.

The only problem is that while the EZ-EG does put out 6-channel
mono like a guitar synth there is no string bending possible
tho the "whammy bar"/mod wheel can do some interesting pitch tricks.

Cheers......CL :oops:
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CapnLockheed wrote:I think I can help you out here. I don't own a 13pin system like
Roland or Axxon but I do own a Yamaha EZ-EG. Which, if I'm
not mistaken, generates the type of midi you're looking for.

The only problem is that while the EZ-EG does put out 6-channel
mono like a guitar synth there is no string bending possible
tho the "whammy bar"/mod wheel can do some interesting pitch tricks.

Cheers......CL :oops:
OH! A friend lent me his Suzuki XG-1 once that did exactly that (though as far as I can remember, it was Poly mode only... or maybe I just didn't have a synth to play it with in MONO multichannel mode? Can't remember.)

One of these: Image

No strings, had rubber touch sensing frets (just buttons really but they didn't move... stiff rubber) and 6 "strings" that weren't really strings. Had a button on the bridge to put your palm to mute sustaining notes. And a whammy bar.

Well, feel free to enter CL, because you'll actually be the first person to send me something. I DO really need separate string bending, but considering that nobody's responded after a couple of weeks maybe your's will end up being the best I'll get. In which case, you'll win by default! Just having some MONO mode material will be a big help though, that's half the test. And also too bad you won't be able to send me audio from the guitar pickups to compare to (as your Yamaha is a pure controller). But again, if nobody else does any better, you'll win.

If you enter, thanks in advance and good luck! Let me know (by email) if you need an FTP site to drop files off at.

Cheers!

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I'm posting so I can find this later. I play a nylon, so I can only bend up a semi and down a quarter. However, as gliss sends a pitchbend, I'll throw some of those in.
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If you haven't got any examples, send me a PM as a reminder. I'll play you something with my GR-33.

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Im doing a small example improvising with my axon. Some chords with a bit of vibrato (much of this in chords would make a bad sound) and a lead sound with legatos, bends, etc. All in mono-poly mode in six midi channels.
Hope that helps you to make that midi guitar mode in you synth.
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Well here is my promised entry.

Its a smal improvisation with the axon and a guitar with GK2 pickup. The guitar plays the electric piano in a track and the synth lead solo in another one and in the base there is a loop drum. So no arrangement or a big composition, only some ideas playing and recording one track after other.

My midi guitar setup is not perfect and there are some small glitches around. (I hope a Godin XTSA or other special midi guitar would improve that, so Im considering to purchase something like this).

All played in realtime with mono mode so every string is in a separate channel. I use a midi filter to avoid some small notes that are easily created when playing a midi guitar. A minor edition has been made in order to change 3 o 4 notes that where played badly Embarassed

The lead line is a bit of torture with many pitchbends, glissandos and legatos, so I hope that would be a interesting test for your synth. The chords track use some pitchbend to create some small vibrato sometimes.

mp3:
http://www.rogepost.com/dn/fqix/bossa+for+axon.mp3
mid:
http://www.rogepost.com/dn/nzxm/bossa+for+axon.mid

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Thanks krraqk! Your's is the first entry.

One question though, that I need from everybody: What's the pitchbend range set to?

Also, just curious, what kind of guitar do you use?

Thanks again! Sounds good too... you got some fast fingers there! If nobody else enters you've already won. ;)

Oh and one other thing, thanks very much for the public post, and everyone should feel free to do it that way, but if you're shy you can send it to me privately too (though if you win, I'm posting it. ;) )

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Oh and krraqk, you didn't by any chance record the AUDIO out of that guitar at the same time did you? That's what I'd really be interested in having. (And it'll increase your chances of winning.)

Thanks for the composition, because it does give me several separate types of playing on different tracks. But if you could just run off 1 track of some noodling and get me the guitar audio (not synth audio, that's my job to make ;) ) and the MIDI, that would be super.

Still, this will already be very useful. Thanks again.

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AdmiralQuality wrote:Oh and krraqk, you didn't by any chance record the AUDIO out of that guitar at the same time did you? That's what I'd really be interested in having. (And it'll increase your chances of winning.)

Thanks for the composition, because it does give me several separate types of playing on different tracks. But if you could just run off 1 track of some noodling and get me the guitar audio (not synth audio, that's my job to make ;) ) and the MIDI, that would be super.

Still, this will already be very useful. Thanks again.
Pitch bend is set to 2 semitone in the axon and in the synths.
Im using a Patrick Eggle Berlin, no vibrato.

No sorry, not recorded the audio form the guitar with it.

Other times I play the real guitar at the same time with the synth, maybe if I have the time I would do a record and I can send it to you, just give me some time.

Hope that help you to implement the midi guitar mono modo to your synths.

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krraqk wrote: Hope that help you to implement the midi guitar mono modo to your synths.
I absolutely intend to. That's what this contest is for! :hihi:

Thanks again, and good luck!

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I have a strato connected to an old Roland GR50 with a GK2---I don't know if MONO mode is supported, will give a look in the manual and try to record something useful...i hope so...

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autodafe wrote:I have a strato connected to an old Roland GR50 with a GK2---I don't know if MONO mode is supported, will give a look in the manual and try to record something useful...i hope so...
Yes it is. See page 37 of your GR50 manual. ;) This is pretty much what MIDI MONO mode was for, and goes right back to the beginning of the MIDI spec, 1983 or so.

Roland had some pure analog model GKs I think, before MIDI, but as long as guitars have been making MIDI, they've done MONO mode. It solves the problem of what happens if 2 or more strings are sounding the same note (impossible on a keyboard, common on guitar) as well as giving each string it's own pitchbend control.
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ok testing it now, but too late here, 3 o clock...gotta go to bed now....

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