Cubase 4

[kmonkey]

Hm. After i have routed all my shit (external FX) etc. i think i wont do it again just because of new GUI and few new synths. If there isnt something worth i wont buy upgrade

[seamoss]

Cubase 4 Dummies?

Yeah - it's called Sonar.

shit that was fuckin funny

[headquest]

Cubase 4 Dummies?

Yeah - it's called Sonar.

shit that was fuckin funny

Yes, absolutely hilarious.

[ericj23]

Cubase 4 Dummies?

Yeah - it's called Sonar.

shit that was fuckin funny

Yes, absolutely hilarious.

awww does the little non-cubase user not like it if people insult his software choices - diddums

or you could try not taking part in threads about something that you know you dont' like

[headquest]

awww does the little non-cubase user not like it if people insult his software choices - diddums

or you could try not taking part in threads about something that you know you dont' like

I'm forever holding out hope for Cubase, and I need to stay current in knowing about it for work reasons. Steinberg... yes, those guys were certainly innovative once (about 10 years ago )

And by the way, my software of choice is actually Ableton Live #. If you want to demonstrate your absolute stupidity, why don't you crack a joke about that, too?

Fella, you're a great advert for the Cubase community

# I do have a copy of Sonar that I was given (didn't actually chose - but its useful, especially as I have done some work alongside Roland in education).

[cptgone]

Cubase sounds an awful lot like "freebase".

they wanted to call it Cubic at first but there was already an accounting suite by that name.

[seamoss]

Cubase 4 Dummies?

Yeah - it's called Sonar.

shit that was fuckin funny

Yes, absolutely hilarious.

sorry headquest

I just liked the joke...I could care a less about the applications. The joke would have been funny no matter which host name was thrown in there.

[headquest]

Cubase 4 Dummies?

Yeah - it's called Sonar.

shit that was fuckin funny

Yes, absolutely hilarious.

sorry headquest

I just liked the joke...I could care a less about the applications. The joke would have been funny no matter which host name was thrown in there.

No worries at all seamoss - yes, not a bad joke. And in fact my "absolutely hilarious" response was actually meant to be an ironic humerous reply, too . It was just the other dude who went personal with it.

[ericj23]

awww does the little non-cubase user not like it if people insult his software choices - diddums

or you could try not taking part in threads about something that you know you dont' like

I'm forever holding out hope for Cubase, and I need to stay current in knowing about it for work reasons. Steinberg... yes, those guys were certainly innovative once (about 10 years ago )

And by the way, my software of choice is actually Ableton Live #. If you want to demonstrate your absolute stupidity, why don't you crack a joke about that, too?

Fella, you're a great advert for the Cubase community

# I do have a copy of Sonar that I was given (didn't actually chose - but its useful, especially as I have done some work alongside Roland in education).

now lets examine the evidence - you completly fail to get my point - and you call me stupid - nice

ill make it crystal clear - why are you in this thread ????

you anti-cubase stance has been abundantly clear since the days of the new paradigm (whatever happned to the holy traktion ? - oh wait I couldnt care less why you use or don't use a computer program)

here is a list of your constructive comments so far

"For me to be more interested personally though they will need to give the entire program an overhaul Wink"

"it doesn't look particularly inspiring on the evidence so far. "

"grymmjack wrote:
if they do have gapless, that will be incredible. can you imagine?
In a word, "no"."

"a bloated update totally devoid of any single creative original idea."

So to repeat - thanks for sharing your wisdom on something you dont care about and will never buy - must remember to return the favour when all those live 6 threads start up again

[headquest]

ill make it crystal clear - why are you in this thread ????

Because many of the schools I visit in this area to deliver music education have Cubase in their classrooms/studios. So I need to know about developments/updates to stay informed as a professional. I also enjoy listening to the views of others... I feel it is a shame that you appear not to though.

you anti-cubase stance has been abundantly clear since the days of the new paradigm

I admit that in many ways I am anti-Cubase yes, for two reasons:

1) I have seen two schools locally get firmly ripped off by Steinberg in terms of refusing to deliver dongle-replacements (after damage/loss), even though a significant investment of tax-payers money had been used by the school to give young people here an opportunity to develop worthwhile skills in music technology. I think that is a disgrace, and would expect anyone posting on a forum such as this to actually support the notion of young people having a chance to get a decent education in the area we share an interest in.

2) One of those schools also particularly suffered as a result of the bug-fest that was SX1. The school did not have the funding to pay for a full site upgrade to SX2, which was essentially a paid-for bugfix update. And pupils in that school have once again been penalised and have a poorer start in their music technology lives as a direct result of Steinbergs (in my view dodgy) business practices.

Neither of those points were relevant to this thread - nor have I mentioned them. But as you ask, yes, I am somewhat anti-Cubase because of these issues.

(whatever happned to the holy traktion ?

I believe that T3 is about to be released. I will be interested to see if development has caught up after a somewhat slow period. If it has, Tracktion 3 could be a fantastic program for schools to get into.

"For me to be more interested personally though they will need to give the entire program an overhaul Wink"

Quite apart from the truly appalling way Steinberg treat their customers, I think Cubase in its current form is an inappropriate program for schools use. For personal use I prefer Live.

"it doesn't look particularly inspiring on the evidence so far. "

No - like many others in the thread I remain somewhat sceptical at this point. I see no harm in any of us stating that.

"grymmjack wrote:
if they do have gapless, that will be incredible. can you imagine?
In a word, "no"."

Indeed. I would be very suprised if Steinberg have gone for a gapless audio engine in this update. If they have though, it will be a very pleasant suprise. Do you think they WILL have gone for a gapless audio engine for live use, or are you just trying to find fault with my comments?

"a bloated update totally devoid of any single creative original idea."

I also said that until the full details are known, we don't know exactly what the update will comprise. So it is early days. On the evidence of the screenshots we have so far seen, they have copied some good ideas from others. Steinberg have been one of the best and most influencial companies in the past and it is frankly a bit sad to see them reduced to copying other, now more innovative developers. As I said in the full quote (which you did not give) surely there's more? I certianly hope so for the sake of Cubase users.

So to repeat - thanks for sharing your wisdom on something you dont care about

1) I'm sharing opinion, not necessarily wisdom. And if people are shouted down by agressive fanboys whenever they share their opinions, there's no point to forums such as this. I hope that you are not really as anti-KVR and the freedom of speech members enjoy here as you seem to suggest... anyone can share their thoughts here if they wish to, dude.

2) I DO care about Cubase. It is used by many of my students, and their musical futures (A' Level results, etc) are bound up with it. How dare you say I don't care about it when - in all honesty - you have no idea.

and will never buy

I've no doubt that many schools will buy it, and ask my views.

- must remember to return the favour when all those live 6 threads start up again

So far as I am concerned you are welcome to say whatever you like about Live 6. If you are inaccurate I will happily post corrections to misinformation, but beyond that go ahead and express your views. That is what KVR is here for.

[bduffy]

[shorn44]

I shore do love me a good host war.

[headquest]

I shore do love me a good host war.

Really? I hate them. Just interested in learning more about Cubase 4.

[shorn44]

Sorry I forgot to put the sarcastic smiley, I guess is sometimes a bit harsh.

I do however find it entertaining to see people get so bothered about criticisms about their host, and also see people attack software for no reason.

Good criticisms I think Headquest, as a Cubase user it's informative to know where my host of choice lags behind its competitors. Also good info on Steiny's screwing over a school.

[Compyfox]

This is nothing new. Steinberg has this policy "if the dongle is damadged or lost, pay for a new license". Very cool, a lot of people were very pissed about this comment. For schools, it's bad, indeed. But then again, wouldn't SL for schools work better? Just my two cents.


Ah yeah, about the comment "SX1 was betatesting and SX2 was a paid bugfix". I'm fairly sure you never used the old Cubase versions. There were times were we had to wait years till something worked, however back in the day, they were more carefully while coding (and more polite in general - at least at Musikmesse 2006 they said "we try to be better in terms of support", at least something). Then again, you really think SX2 to SX3 wasn't a paid bugfix update? It sure was. Finally the included mixermaps for hardware users again, several serious bugs were fixed (and others implemented), etc. This will be the same with SX4 again.

Now matter how you twist and turn it, we will always be the guineapigs for Steinberg. It's a "feature" lately. But you also have to admit, that Steinberg set standards. Without them, we wouldn't have ReWire (together with Propellerheads), the VST technology, one of the first who offered surround features for a reasonable price (and without a Protools HD system), they were also one of the first who implemented hardware controllers with Cubase (they kicked off the "controller" idea with Houston), they were the first who created a software sampler (Halion, even though it stood still since V1), etc. You can't deny that.

It's just a pity that they have the ideas, but don't pull them off properly. Years ago ProTools, Logic and Cubase were the only sequencers. Then hell broke loose and tons of other firms created sequencers with their own strength and weaknesses. So before you bash Cubase, you have to weight out why the other tools got so popular. Why they had such a good start-off. Even though Steinberg seems to be behind in most cases, they still set standards and in my opinion, it's the best and simplest to use sequencer. If you take your time to learn it (which shouldn't take long)

You like FLS, Sonar, Live6, Samplitude, whatever. We like Cubase. The only thing that we dislike is the ignoring of the users who want to have very essential features in their tool, that others have for years and cost way less as bundle.

That's not too much asked for, is it?
However coming out with a "ultimate SX3.5" (which they could have done with SX2, too), they give us an overhauled "GUI" in Cubase4 (still think this is a mashup) instead and more useless crap that we don't need. Then again, it's not September yet and we will see what the future brings. And those several music magazines with "exclusive reviews" like it happened with the SX3 "it's getting hot in there" thing two years ago.