Cubase 4

[tee boy]

Seriously though, it does amaze, the amount of emotion attached to one's choice of host. I used to get emotional about Win/Mac, and I got over it. I used to get emotional about AMD/Pentium, but I got over it. By the time I discovered the DAW world, I had gotten over all that kind of time-wasting nonsense and now only care that the damn thing works for me in the quest to make the kind of music I want. I could give two bleeding shits what other people use.

your HSG.

hehe, anyone remember the NES vs. sega thing or the coke vs. pepsi thing when you were a kid. I think that's where it all began for some of us.

damn, i used to love commodore 64 when i was a kid. when that nintendo thing came out and you didn't have to wait for the game to load, i was in heaven. then i turned 12...

Mate, Commando on the 64 made me the man I am today!

TB

[bduffy]

Lode Runner über alles!!!

[deggy]

i had so many awesome games... the only thing that sucked was that they took so long to load.

[bduffy]

i had so many awesome games... the only thing that sucked was that they took so long to load.

kinda like Cubase...

[TeeLangSun]

BTW for the guys who say C4 looks or resembles Ableton\Logic:
YOU WISH!!!

Hmmm. I wasn't the one who said it, but as soon as I definately saw some things that brought Ableton to mind and the synths are definately reminiscent of Motu's and Logic's which seem to be certainly designed by the same company. I don't think it's a good thing, or a bad thing, it just is. So far I like the way Cubase is looking. I've kind of recently made the move to Logic, but I will probably upgrade my current copy of SX3 anyway so I can still have the best of both worlds on my intel based Mac.

Someone else made the comment about all the obvious copying going on. Well, I don't think that's a bad idea. Sometimes when I'm using a program, I really wish that it would acquire some of the exact and specific features from other applications.

[Majken]

I just looked at the screenshots a third time. In the Media Bay at the bottom left there are presets for Steinberg plugins. Anyone heard of AmpSimulator, EnvelopeShaper and Expander before? There's also perhaps a fourth one called Fxxx something, has four letters in the tile. Oh and the already mentioned ModMachine of course.

/Majken

[bduffy]

I just looked at the screenshots a third time. In the Media Bay at the bottom left there are presets for Steinberg plugins. Anyone heard of AmpSimulator, EnvelopeShaper and Expander before? There's also perhaps a fourth one called Fxxx something, has four letters in the tile. Oh and the already mentioned ModMachine of course.

/Majken

The plot thickens!

Wrap it up, I'll take it. I'm so pleased with the SX 3 upgrade, I'm a Lifer.

[deggy]

i remember being pissed when sx came out. There were things in 5 that were so great (like the way it would open your fav .wav editor when you clicked on audio)... now if you want to edit the .wav files in a .wav editor, good luck finding it in the audio pool. pain in the ass

[bduffy]

i remember being pissed when sx came out. There were things in 5 that were so great (like the way it would open your fav .wav editor when you clicked on audio)... now if you want to edit the .wav files in a .wav editor, good luck finding it in the audio pool. pain in the ass

Hmmm...not big on my list, because Nuendo features full audio-editing as is, but I understand that there are still features outstanding from Cubase 5 that they really should just buck up and put in. That was really, really stupid of them to take out all those features; I reckon they lost not a few customers that way.

[popsych]

.....
Or in short: the non Cubase users bash the Cubase users, cause Cubase is pretty much blank, is from Steinberg, has a dongle and the features (compared to the tools of choice) are pretty much crap.

I however as Cubase user say: not really.
It's scary, but I told FL Users (who used this thing longer than I do) how to use the channel strips properly, how the "master out" works and what to do if it clips. I remote controlled the PC of the individual and told him what to do and what not. Same with Logic.. I might not know the hotkeys or the internal engine, but I can use it.

Can you say that for yourself, too? Do you still think that Cubase sucks balls?

I was using cubase since v3.6. Then at v5.1 i tried logic for all the wrong reasons - not relevant - but after using it for 4 weeks i was unable to go back to Cubase. It was LACKING for me. Ever since, i have tried ALL the major hosts including some minor ones and continue to give them a try at every major release. Cubase's problem for me is it's interface design. By that i don't mean the graphics.No matter how fancy they make those, they are unable to balance the lack of well thought out ergonomics. I couldn't care less if Cubase came bundled with a real Moog or a modular with shitloads of modules, that's not what makes Logic appeal to me...

...
point is though, I think that at the rate things are going, Cubase will probably be the better choice in the long run because Apple is only really releasing bug fixes of their sequencer for the forseeable future (and then charging us $70 US to get the upgrade sent out to us). At the time I made the switch, I was pissed though that steinberg was releasing a FULL PAID update every almost annually. That sucks too. That said, the difference in the functionality of the freeze function between SX1 and SX2 or SX2 and SX3 is pretty impressive. but seriously, you could have gotten it right the first time (like Emapple)...

I currently use two hosts. samp and logic. If logic gets the audio of samp or if samp gets midi/environment like logic i will be in heaven. The fact that cubase adds new features is because it was lacking to begin with. Show me essential features which changed from SX1 till SX3 and were not bug fixes.

I am not bashing Cubase. I'm not saying go for logic. What I am trying to say is that one should try ALL possible hosts (even animals ) before announcing that Host X is GOD (allah,budha or whatever). I thought i was happy with cubase but when I actually USED logic it wasn't the same. it's like thinking paint is black but until you've seen real black you don't realise it was gray all along.

[bduffy]

EDIT: Dammit, I'm not giving in to host wars.

Have fun bashing Cubase (becuase you are). I know what works for me.

[stag]

Show me essential features which changed from SX1 till SX3 and were not bug fixes.

Perhaps Full PDC but since you are on Logic that's not a big deal to you.
I don't care much about freeze, cubase don't need it much, it has offline processing and export, but on SX3 it's there working.
Instruments and plugs, namely a new arpegiator, i'm sure the one on Logic is better for a lot of peeps... not for me, no sir.

you can see for yourself the list at Steinberg.net.

Also i don't mean to bash Logic, no sir, not here on a Cubase thread but incidentally i did the inverse path you token... I started on Logic, still to this very day i keep thinking why they named it that way, kind of oxymoron IMO.

Bye.

PS: About the look of Cubase compared with other: the colour scheme is complrtely diferent, Sculpture, eg, is kind of pearl(corny) white, Steinberg plugs are almost of dark grey blue(a lot easier on the eyes), about the buttons and sliders design, they are a lot more sleek and striped than the competition.
Yeha, a GT40, a Miura or a Dino are look a likes to my ex, to me they are all very diferent... especially under the hood.

[MacQ]

As for me, I was a Cakewalk Audio 8 user (pre-Sonar), where I'd sequence my MIDI and record parts, then dump them to (then Sonic Foundry) Vegas to mix. It was a hassle, but I made some cool tracks that way. Drums came as exported audio loops from Fruityloops 2.x. Back as a teenager with a stack of cracked software.

Now I do it for a living, and own all my stuff. I'm so proud of myself, but I can't help but get nervous (still) when I look at that glowing piece of red plastic (my IK-Multimedia Syncrosoft key, on which I've transfered all of my licenses). My whole working life tied up in the performance of that thing. Oh well, that's not the point of my post.

I went to SX right away, and it immediately fit my workflow. The only things that I liked better from Vegas (and still do, actually), are:

- Spline-based automation ... curves are actually curves, not just a series of lines that form a curve. (Sonar does this, Logic does this, Digital Performer doesn't, but it should too!)

- Snap-to-dB for volume envelopes. (Who cares about 0.01 dB resolution. I want my envelopes to snap to 0.5dB increments in the top 6dB, and 1dB below that. That's more than enough resolution for my mixing tasks. I find myself manually editing EVERY volume node (by typing in the value), because I'm meticulous like that, and it's frankly a better way to work, I think. Most gain adjustments I do are in multiples of 3dB anyway because of dB law ... I don't want -3.02dB of gain, I want -3dB, you know? Anyone with me on this one?)

- Non-destructive cross fades. The fades in Vegas are simple, they don't require the creation of a "fade" file every time, and they're predictable in their performance. When I crossfade something in Vegas, I don't have to wonder if the crossfade will disappear when I move or copy those two files to a different place in the project. (Sonar has this simple functionality, as well, which it stole from Vegas.)

- Re-orderable inserts. Yeah, what a great concept. The problem thusfar has been that SX3's automation was tied to the insert order. This allowed a lot of power at the expense of flexibility. I think this is remedied in the new version, however.

Otherwise, it's near-perfect for me and my workflow.

Hope Cubase 4 brings changes to some of these "little" things ... I don't care about more plugins, but I do care about workflow enhancements. Bring on September!

~MacQ

[bduffy]

As for me, I was a Cakewalk Audio 8 user (pre-Sonar), where I'd sequence my MIDI and record parts, then dump them to (then Sonic Foundry) Vegas to mix. It was a hassle, but I made some cool tracks that way. Drums came as exported audio loops from Fruityloops 2.x. Back as a teenager with a stack of cracked software.

Now I do it for a living, and own all my stuff. I'm so proud of myself, but I can't help but get nervous (still) when I look at that glowing piece of red plastic (my IK-Multimedia Syncrosoft key, on which I've transfered all of my licenses). My whole working life tied up in the performance of that thing. Oh well, that's not the point of my post.

I went to SX right away, and it immediately fit my workflow. The only things that I liked better from Vegas (and still do, actually), are:

- Spline-based automation ... curves are actually curves, not just a series of lines that form a curve. (Sonar does this, Logic does this, Digital Performer doesn't, but it should too!)

- Snap-to-dB for volume envelopes. (Who cares about 0.01 dB resolution. I want my envelopes to snap to 0.5dB increments in the top 6dB, and 1dB below that. That's more than enough resolution for my mixing tasks. I find myself manually editing EVERY volume node (by typing in the value), because I'm meticulous like that, and it's frankly a better way to work, I think. Most gain adjustments I do are in multiples of 3dB anyway because of dB law ... I don't want -3.02dB of gain, I want -3dB, you know? Anyone with me on this one?)

- Non-destructive cross fades. The fades in Vegas are simple, they don't require the creation of a "fade" file every time, and they're predictable in their performance. When I crossfade something in Vegas, I don't have to wonder if the crossfade will disappear when I move or copy those two files to a different place in the project. (Sonar has this simple functionality, as well, which it stole from Vegas.)

- Re-orderable inserts. Yeah, what a great concept. The problem thusfar has been that SX3's automation was tied to the insert order. This allowed a lot of power at the expense of flexibility. I think this is remedied in the new version, however.

Otherwise, it's near-perfect for me and my workflow.

Hope Cubase 4 brings changes to some of these "little" things ... I don't care about more plugins, but I do care about workflow enhancements. Bring on September!

~MacQ

Hey, that was pretty much my story exactly: CWPA and mixing in Vegas (eventually)! Then they got Nuendo at work, and despite holding out and long debates with my brother, I found Nuendo/Cubase to be a perfect fit. And I'm telling you, after hearing about my brother's experiences with Pro Tools LE, my enthusiasm for Cubase is freshly renewed, and just in time for SX 4 (which I'll probably put off again for a year coz I can't afford it! )

You know what Cubase really needs to nick from Vegas? Automatic crossfades. No hitting "X" every damn time! Vegas is still the fastest, lightest multitrack editor I can think of; we still use it at work for most project. For sound fx and foley, it's just so fast; no "Import to Pool-and-convert" garbage, stretch, reverse, crossfade instantly. It'd be nice if Cubase could get that fast with editing; I tend to resist it for large multimedia projects. But it's tha shiz for mixing music.

[Arksun]

Thank **CK everyone disagrees!. Seriously!

Thats why we are soo god damn lucky to be living in an age where, not only are the hosts insanely powerful, but greatly different in their GUI's and interfaces.

It means there's something for everyone!. Logic, Cubase, Sonar, Digital Performer etc etc etc

We should count our blessings of having such diverse choice with great power, than waste time arguing over what is 'best'