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mistertoast · Post by **mistertoast** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:39 am

I don't mind paying for a synth, but I'm irritated by copy protection. How will you handle licenses on this synth?

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:07 am

mistertoast wrote:I don't mind paying for a synth, but I'm irritated by copy protection. How will you handle licenses on this synth?

With copy protection. To avoid being irritated, I'd suggest you just leave this thread right now and go find something else to use.

Cheers.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:39 pm

for prolonged irritation, there's always preparation-h.

mistertoast · Post by **mistertoast** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:24 pm

OK. What sort of copy protection? If I upgrade hardware or buy a new computer, do I just type in the license number, or do I have to contact you again?

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:32 pm

Machine based copy protection. If you want to move your license to a new machine, you have to contact me/us, and (if I don't think you're shitting me) we'll issue you a new key.

This is entirely at our discretion though. But I haven't had a problem with this so far. Just don't ask for 3 keys a week.

Now please, if you want to bitch about copy protection, do it somewhere else. I've made every effort to have the least obtrusive copy protection scheme I could, short of giving it away... and we offer FREE, FULL FUNCTIONING 7 day evaluations. AND... our prices are a small fraction of any serious competition. Really, if you're not happy with that, feel free to go away. Nobody's forcing you to use our products.

mistertoast · Post by **mistertoast** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:52 pm

I'm not bitching. I'm asking what you're going to do. Don't get nasty and try to show me the door. I already said your two sample sounds are great and that I'd love to make patches. I spent 15 years programming and designing in the videogame industry, so I know all the arguments for and against copy protection. Thanks for telling me your plans.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:05 pm

Bitching-->

mistertoast wrote:I don't mind paying for a synth, but I'm irritated by copy protection. How will you handle licenses on this synth?

Start your own thread about the things that irritate you. This thread is about our product. Not our policy. I don't appreciate complaining about stuff you can't even get yet. A tiny bit of research on your part would have answered these questions for you. Try SCAMP... same deal.

Sorry, but again I've got out of my way -- I've FOUGHT -- to have such a LOOSE copy protection scheme, and I still get people who probably aren't going to buy it anyway, acting like somehow I've DONE something TO them. Touchy issue for me, sorry if I'm overreacting. As it is, our products get cracked just like we were a big company, on the first day they're released! Perhaps I should add dongle protection and download the cost of that to our paying customers? I'm still of the opinion that that's just stupid and wrong, why should paying customers have to pay for the people ripping us off? But when people don't appreciate the effort I've made to be a nice guy, it makes me wonder why I even bother.

Cheers.

stevieb19 · Post by **stevieb19** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:28 pm

AdmiralQuality wrote:Bitching-->

mistertoast wrote:I don't mind paying for a synth, but I'm irritated by copy protection. How will you handle licenses on this synth?
Start your own thread about the things that irritate you. This thread is about our product. Not our policy. I don't appreciate complaining about stuff you can't even get yet. A tiny bit of research on your part would have answered these questions for you. Try SCAMP... same deal.

Sorry, but again I've got out of my way -- I've FOUGHT -- to have such a LOOSE copy protection scheme, and I still get people who probably aren't going to buy it anyway, acting like somehow I've DONE something TO them. Touchy issue for me, sorry if I'm overreacting. As it is, our products get cracked just like we were a big company, on the first day they're released! Perhaps I should add dongle protection and download the cost of that to our paying customers? I'm still of the opinion that that's just stupid and wrong, why should paying customers have to pay for the people ripping us off? But when people don't appreciate the effort I've made to be a nice guy, it makes me wonder why I even bother.

Cheers.

Jesus AdmiralQuality calm down will ya.

He only f**kin asked after all.

Looke mate you can take this anyway you like but I have been following this thread since the start and to be honest you need to chill a bit because frankly to ain't gonna gain many friends or customers by jumping down peoples throats when they ask a perfectly simple question. Your response was over the top by a country mile.

I know there have been dodgy comments this tread by various party's regarding your new synth which have been unfair and rude but from a business point of you have to distance yourself from the s***.

Personaly I am really looking forward to trying this synth as you filters are great.

mistertoast · Post by **mistertoast** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:34 pm

>>Touchy issue for me, sorry if I'm overreacting.

You are. Jeez.

>But when people don't appreciate the effort I've made to be a nice guy, it makes me wonder why I even bother.

You're a nice guy, huh? Well I'm glad to know it's a nice guy who's coming after me. Makes me feel a bit less violated.

mistertoast · Post by **mistertoast** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:37 pm

>>As it is, our products get cracked just like we were a big company, on the first day they're released!

First guy I ever played online in one of my games bragged how he had "rogued" the game. I kicked his ass solid and he quit before the game was over.

duncanparsons · Post by **duncanparsons** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:50 pm

AQ, wrt the presets thing - for betaing, put a button which will dump presets into a text file, either INI format or serialize to xml.
When a tester makes preset they like they hit the button.
Make an import routine so they can retest a preset to ensure that it still sounds good, even if the parameters have changed.

Before final release, they send you their presets, you compile the list, and make it a static file and link it in. When the plug loads, read off the data into the correct parameters.

I've done this to aid self testing. You take out the functionality before final release.

I was also wondering about some of the things you have mentioned in the DSP forum. You say that you have 4x oversampling the whole way through.. Is this applied accross the board, or if I start a project at 96kHz, will I have internal processing at 384kHz. If this is the case, I do hope you are using doubles extensively in the filters! esp since accuraacy in cutoff freq would be very limited (20kHz@384kHz is roughly 0.05, which ain't alot to play with). Hearing the demos put up I know that it's good, but I was just wondering about what you had going on in there

Also glad you like the name MonoTony. I had been wondering about using it myself, but it just seemed very apt for Poly to have a sibling!

DSP

aquar · Post by **aquar** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:58 pm

Not sure this'll make me too popular (but fuckit) most top rated synths get cracked sooner or later so any attempt to protect a synth beyond casual protection only hurts the end user that had the decency to support the product in the beginning.

I especially hate any protection scheme that relies on contacting the developer after a sale..if for example I upgrade my computer and have to go cap in hand back to the developer.
In fact I no longer purchase synths that use that kind of protection method. Same for dongles.

Its a cruel and unusual punishment to put an end user in that position.

dx-9 · Post by **dx-9** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:23 pm

other opinion: (not shure this will make me popular here)

copyprotection is the ONLY way to help developer to get money out of software in these times. (most of them slowly go back developing only hardware again 'cause the losts of money thru warez is HUGE!)
i don't think it's a problem to plug a usb-key or get
a code or even just type a code in before using a software product. because there is no problem in getting them. of course it's a bit too much work if you buy a software only to mess around a bit and then resell it on ebay after 1 hour of use....

i would even pretend that people having probs with protection don't understand it's vitality for every software company's survive.

and back to the fabulous looking POLY-ANA. I will certainly buy it after having tried the demo. even if i would have to get and type in 100 signs.

aquar · Post by **aquar** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:41 pm

dx-9 wrote: and back to the fabulous looking POLY-ANA. I will certainly buy it after having tried the demo. even if i would have to get and type in 100 signs.

Are you suggesting that you are going to purchase it based on nothing more than a screen shot and a couple of mp3 examples?
because that is what it sounds like.

Forgive me but I don't understand your philosophy, whereby you will purchase a product on nothing more than eye candy.
To be truthful I think the interface looks ugly but the modulation possibilities look mind blowing.
The synth hasn't even entered public beta testing and some ppl are hailing it as the best thing since sliced bread

dx-9 · Post by **dx-9** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:48 pm

aquar wrote:
dx-9 wrote: and back to the fabulous looking POLY-ANA. I will certainly buy it after having tried the demo. even if i would have to get and type in 100 signs.

Are you suggesting that you are going to purchase it based on nothing more than a screen shot and a couple of mp3 examples?
because that is what it sounds like.

Forgive me but I don't understand your philosophy, whereby you will purchase a product on nothing more than eye candy.
To be truthful I think the interface looks ugly but the modulation possibilities look mind blowing.
The synth hasn't even entered public beta testing and some ppl are hailing it as the best thing since sliced bread

no .. wrote that i would buy it after having plinkplonk-ed the demo... sorry I'm swiss.. english is not my language

and i'm not hailing anything - just defending copy protection a bit...

Poly-Ana: Coming soon from Admiral Quality.