An alternative to Logic

[jens]

You could get something like Energy XT that's affordable and that can be used as a main DAW at home but also plugged into another sequencer if you have to use something else at College - it even runs off a USB key so if you have ASIO installed on your college PC it could run that way too. Plus Energy XT is in many respects like Logic in that it has a modular approach like Logic's environment.

That's a good suggestion. The only problem I'd see with that is that if he's not going to learn Logic, then I'd suggest something that has more of a reputation; nothing against eXT, which I love, but it just isn't known in the field at all. At least if you drop "I know Cubase" or Sonar, everybody's at least heard of them, and they offer the features that studios, film and TV would be looking for.

Then use eXT as a plugin and blow them away with your secret weapon! Just a thought.

oh well...

[bduffy]

However, you are correct that Sonar and Cubase and Nuendo aren't much cheaper. I should have separated my statements. Sorry.

Brent

Don't sweat it: Cubase and Sonar are cheaper than Logic. Only Nuendo costs more. I think the mrlargefoot's point is that he doesn't want to buy a Mac, which would significantly add to the cost of his DAW solution.

[mojkarma]

"Don't sweat it: Cubase and Sonar are cheaper than Logic. Only Nuendo costs more. I think the mrlargefoot's point is that he doesn't want to buy a Mac, which would significantly add to the cost of his DAW solution."

Well, I tried to give some arguments in my previous post. We are talking about sequencer and not the complete software/hardware. Logic is the most complete package and even if you use only 20 percent of the bundled plugins or virtual instruments, Logic would still be cheaper than if you buy those for cubase or sonar.
I own Cubase, Sonar and Logic, so I know what I am talking about. It is however a different story, if we add the cost of a mac, but as I said, a mac is a computer and can perform all other tasks like a pc. So, one would use the mac probably for a lot of other things. It is not, that you have to buy a mac, just to run logic on it.

[PaulG]

You know, far be it from me to offer any sort of opinion here, OT or not, but I always thought that intuition was far more valuable tahn logic, sometimes eclipsing the need for it at all.

It's not available for PC yet, though...

[bduffy]

"Don't sweat it: Cubase and Sonar are cheaper than Logic. Only Nuendo costs more. I think the mrlargefoot's point is that he doesn't want to buy a Mac, which would significantly add to the cost of his DAW solution."

Well, I tried to give some arguments in my previous post. We are talking about sequencer and not the complete software/hardware. Logic is the most complete package and even if you use only 20 percent of the bundled plugins or virtual instruments, Logic would still be cheaper than if you buy those for cubase or sonar.
I own Cubase, Sonar and Logic, so I know what I am talking about. It is however a different story, if we add the cost of a mac, but as I said, a mac is a computer and can perform all other tasks like a pc. So, one would use the mac probably for a lot of other things. It is not, that you have to buy a mac, just to run logic on it.

Right. I'm sure he'll go for that plan.

If it means anything, we didn't touch Logic at my audio engineering school. The priniciples you learn at an audio school shouldn't necessarily apply to any specific program. I'd go from doing Pro Tools sessions at school to using Cakewalk Pro Audio 7 with Soundfonts at home; didn't matter, really. If you're just learning right now, you don't have to shell out tons of cash for a flagship solution. As long as you get decent time to work on Logic (or whatever) at school, you can transfer your knowledge to your host of choice.

[BONES]

2. I don't see any reason, why a mac (if you decide to go the Logic route) would be useless. A mac is a computer and you can do anything on it...

... except use any of the software I use on a daily basis. I would have thought that was failry obvious.

Well, at least Sonar or Cubase doesn't cost much less than Logic, if you take the time and compare the package of each sequencer, and what is in it.

So get ORION Platinum instead. Its $199 and has way more stuff included than Logic.

The only problem I'd see with that is that if he's not going to learn Logic, then I'd suggest something that has more of a reputation; nothing against eXT, which I love, but it just isn't known in the field at all. At least if you drop "I know Cubase" or Sonar, everybody's at least heard of them, and they offer the features that studios, film and TV would be looking for.

But if you say "I know Logic and Cubase but I use EnergyXT", they will think you know things that they don't which it may give you more credibility if approached correctly.

Logic is the most complete package

I don't think its any more complete than ORION or FLS, just harder to work with.

You know, far be it from me to offer any sort of opinion here, OT or not, but I always thought that intuition was far more valuable tahn logic, sometimes eclipsing the need for it at all.

I was going to say that stupidity seems to be the alternative of choice to logic around here but then I got a chance to Mac-bash instead, which seemed like more fun.

[beej]

[nuffink]

You asked for an alternative to logic

[PaulG]

Problem with stupidity, though, is it is generally neither humorous or profitable. Sorry to cause any confusion in this matter.

Now are you referring to Stupidity 2.0 or the old 1.7? It seems that THAT version was RIDDEN with bugs, too, so I can see your unwillingness to not look past the obvious.

I guess, though, that's one key defining difference between Supidity, Logic, Intuition, and even Reason - the levels of obviousness.

And hey, if you think THIS is bad, you should go over to the Sonar forums for a day or two!

Last post as there seems to be a lack of Humor 1.0 on this one.

[pdxindy]

You could get something like Energy XT

eXT absolutely sucks...

[zai]

My alternative to Logic is somewhat different than most people. But if used the right way, it can produce great results.

Ready? Live 5 (soon to be 6) + Reason 3. That's basically all you would need...it's got everything from VST support to TONS of sounds for Reason.

I've heard great things about energyXT as well. If you want a DAW that's similar to Logic in feel and looks...check out ProTools. Cubase SX is also useful. FL is a good, cheap alternative. Oh...and Sonar by Cakewalk.

Zai

[pdxindy]

...because it is not available on the mac

[zai]

2. I don't see any reason, why a mac (if you decide to go the Logic route) would be useless. A mac is a computer and you can do anything on it...

... except use any of the software I use on a daily basis. I would have thought that was failry obvious.

Well, at least Sonar or Cubase doesn't cost much less than Logic, if you take the time and compare the package of each sequencer, and what is in it.

So get ORION Platinum instead. Its $199 and has way more stuff included than Logic.

The only problem I'd see with that is that if he's not going to learn Logic, then I'd suggest something that has more of a reputation; nothing against eXT, which I love, but it just isn't known in the field at all. At least if you drop "I know Cubase" or Sonar, everybody's at least heard of them, and they offer the features that studios, film and TV would be looking for.

But if you say "I know Logic and Cubase but I use EnergyXT", they will think you know things that they don't which it may give you more credibility if approached correctly.

Logic is the most complete package

I don't think its any more complete than ORION or FLS, just harder to work with.

You know, far be it from me to offer any sort of opinion here, OT or not, but I always thought that intuition was far more valuable tahn logic, sometimes eclipsing the need for it at all.

I was going to say that stupidity seems to be the alternative of choice to logic around here but then I got a chance to Mac-bash instead, which seemed like more fun.

Don't like Mac, then don't use Mac. Is that simple enough?

Hey Bones, nice site btw. Some great tracks there!

Zai

[fhinspectit]

It has been awhile since I been on this post, not anything against it but for what I do futureproducers.com caters more to my style. saying that it is nice to finally see a thread that is not trashing each host in one way or another. I to had been debating whether to switch to a mac strictly for logic, I finally realized that with protools m-powered, flstudio and wavearts powersuite I do not need logic. I'm sure logic is a great app, but flstudio does everything that I need and with protools this is a deadly combo. fls,ptmp cost me 500 U.S dollars. plugins that come with the two apps are great and if you need more there are tons of choices. as far as industry standard from what i noticed it depends on where one is located, in the states pro tool is king. as far as I can tell, in Europe it seems to be cubase for the most part. IMHO I think sonar is the closest PC app to compare to logic as far as goodies. If you already own Flstudio just add Pro tools with it and you will have all you need plus the ability to seemlessly transfer you sessions to most big time studios. Just remember that a mac and a pc both run software, neither will make the music for us.

I just want to say thanks to everyone on KVR for all the knowlegde and help over the last year you people are great.

[DWb]

You asked for an alternative to logic