Dangerous Bear Underground has released Tom Gersic's Prepared Piano sample library. The initial release is in sf2 and WusikSND, with WusikEngine version 2 presets, and EVE 2 presets to follow. This library is derived from the same sampling sessions from which Tom produced the Preperation P VSTi. http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2390.html But it includes all the samples mapped and formatted with presets for several popular sample playback synths. Sets may be purchased individually or as bundles.
As stated, the initial release includes sf2 and Wusik. Plans are in place for Kontakt and Sampletank. But before following through on that right away, we want to see what formats folks want.
Please feel free to offer any comments or suggestions you may have about this library. The formal announcement of the opening of sales for the soundfont and Wusik versions will appear soon in the Marketplace and Wusik forums. Stay tuned to this thread as well as those others for more information and audio examples.
Prepared Piano
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- KVRian
- 1327 posts since 8 Nov, 2003 from DC
Last edited by Bassballjg on Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- Tunesmith
- 2889 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from Toronto
I voted Sampletank. You left out NN-XT. You could also probably make some ReDrum kits with it too.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1327 posts since 8 Nov, 2003 from DC
Eventually, all these formats will probably get done. The dBu philosophy has always been to take the samples and do ongoing development at the preset level so as to take advantage of the creative opportunities that the different engines provide. The poll is here to get feedback about where our priorities should be on this project on both the creative and the business sides.Mr. Tunes wrote:I voted Sampletank. You left out NN-XT. You could also probably make some ReDrum kits with it too.
I wish that there was a way for folks to vote for more than one, since many people use more than one sampler or sample-playback synth.
Sampletank will probably be done just because I like working with it, even though ST2 is not a big seller for me compared to Wusik. NNXT would be good for Reason 3, which I have not yet upgraded to. ReDrum could be fun too, now that you mention it. We shall see.
The vote seems to be picking up, so as trends take shape, priorities will be set.
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- KVRian
- 1099 posts since 20 Nov, 2004 from Seinäjoki, Finland
I voted for "other" as I would like to see it released in .gig format just for the reason that pretty much any decent sampler is able to import giga files.
Kontakt format would be ok, too.
Kontakt format would be ok, too.
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- KVRAF
- 7110 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
My thinking is that not being multisampled with many layers(as I read the info) they need to be tweaked with filter envelopes as well, to soften sound for lite touch of keys. Filter envelopes are really not dependable when it comes to importing from other formats.
So I think a specific library for each sampler is the best. To count on import format will likely sound worse than the sampler it was made for.
So I think a specific library for each sampler is the best. To count on import format will likely sound worse than the sampler it was made for.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1327 posts since 8 Nov, 2003 from DC
We're going to be doing as many formats as possible, as I said, it's just a matter of when, and having access to the instrument in question. I own VSampler, Kontakt, Sampletank, Wusik and EVE 2(which can read each other's format). I also own Reason, but only 2.5, and I think that this really is a job for the Combinator, so NNXT support will have to wait a while. I have two associates who use Dimension, so it may be possible to work something out there even before I eventually get it myself. Sf2 is meant to be a "universal" soundset release, but there will be presets for STS-24 sometime soon, as well as more Wusikstation and EVE 2 presets for the WusikSND version.
Some of the samples have been set up as maps, even though the treatments themselves were not multisampled. But there is a lot of potential here for all of these engines. As the library evolves with new formats and preset updates, we will see what shape the future takes, based on feedback from you, the users.
Meanwhile, take a listen to the first demo:
http://www.dangerousbear.com/audioexamples/PPDemo1.mp3
Some of the samples have been set up as maps, even though the treatments themselves were not multisampled. But there is a lot of potential here for all of these engines. As the library evolves with new formats and preset updates, we will see what shape the future takes, based on feedback from you, the users.
Meanwhile, take a listen to the first demo:
http://www.dangerousbear.com/audioexamples/PPDemo1.mp3
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35506 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Kontakt or sfz
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRian
- 556 posts since 30 Aug, 2005
Hi All,
John asked me to say something here about the sample collection. These prepared piano samples were recorded late at night in May 2006 on a baby grand piano in a practice room at a nearby university. Unfortunately, I don't remember the make or model of the piano, but the university has a nationally-recognized music school, so the piano was well maintained, and in tune. Just in case anybody is concerned, I was extremely careful not to damage the piano, and no, I wasn't trespassing. All of the samples were recorded in one sitting, over the course of a few hours, at 24bit, 48kHz. The microphone used was a R0de NT1A "Anniversary Model". Some of you may be scratching your heads at this selection--generally when recording a piano, one would go with a stereo pair of small-diaphragm condensers, but in this case, I decided that recording in stereo made little sense because the sounds themselves would be better off being placed in the stereo field by the composer / sound designer, rather than forcing a stereo field that was in relation to the piano. Also, the lower noise floor and increased sensitivity of a large diaphragm microphone seemed to be beneficial to some of the quieter, more delicate tones, especially as they faded away.
As to the need for prepared piano samples--prepared piano has become fairly commonplace in many compositions. John Cage, obviously, is composer often credited with popularizing the idea, but while there are still relatively few pieces performed just for prepared piano, I've heard various prepared piano sounds in much more common works, for instance, certain scores by Danny Elfman. There are a number of unusual sounds that can be made with a piano that are surprisingly effective when paired with all sorts of instrumentations. However, it's not always easy to get your hands on a piano who's owner doesn't mind you taking apart, jamming bolts into the strings and such. And even those of us who are lucky enough to have a piano at our disposal to do such a thing with will probably find it easier to use prerecorded samples, rather than toying with their own piano. That is the goal of this sample set--to bring the sounds of the prepared piano to any composer or sound designer who has a need for them.
I love John's demo, by the way.
Anyway, those are some thoughts. I hope you all enjoy the stuff that John is putting together.
Thanks,
Tom
John asked me to say something here about the sample collection. These prepared piano samples were recorded late at night in May 2006 on a baby grand piano in a practice room at a nearby university. Unfortunately, I don't remember the make or model of the piano, but the university has a nationally-recognized music school, so the piano was well maintained, and in tune. Just in case anybody is concerned, I was extremely careful not to damage the piano, and no, I wasn't trespassing. All of the samples were recorded in one sitting, over the course of a few hours, at 24bit, 48kHz. The microphone used was a R0de NT1A "Anniversary Model". Some of you may be scratching your heads at this selection--generally when recording a piano, one would go with a stereo pair of small-diaphragm condensers, but in this case, I decided that recording in stereo made little sense because the sounds themselves would be better off being placed in the stereo field by the composer / sound designer, rather than forcing a stereo field that was in relation to the piano. Also, the lower noise floor and increased sensitivity of a large diaphragm microphone seemed to be beneficial to some of the quieter, more delicate tones, especially as they faded away.
As to the need for prepared piano samples--prepared piano has become fairly commonplace in many compositions. John Cage, obviously, is composer often credited with popularizing the idea, but while there are still relatively few pieces performed just for prepared piano, I've heard various prepared piano sounds in much more common works, for instance, certain scores by Danny Elfman. There are a number of unusual sounds that can be made with a piano that are surprisingly effective when paired with all sorts of instrumentations. However, it's not always easy to get your hands on a piano who's owner doesn't mind you taking apart, jamming bolts into the strings and such. And even those of us who are lucky enough to have a piano at our disposal to do such a thing with will probably find it easier to use prerecorded samples, rather than toying with their own piano. That is the goal of this sample set--to bring the sounds of the prepared piano to any composer or sound designer who has a need for them.
I love John's demo, by the way.
Anyway, those are some thoughts. I hope you all enjoy the stuff that John is putting together.
Thanks,
Tom
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1327 posts since 8 Nov, 2003 from DC
Based on what I'm seeing here so far, Kontakt will be the priority, and also VSampler because of the vote and because that format is very easy for me to get done. Both can be ready very quickly at the soundset level, but Kontakt a little longer for presets beyond the essential soundset presets. Later this month you should see something. Please do keep voting and keep commenting.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1327 posts since 8 Nov, 2003 from DC
I'm sorry, but no share-it. What is your problem with paypal? You need not have an account with them, you can just use your credit card, if I recall correctly.thoshu wrote:I'd love to get the wusik-format - but can't do paypal - will you be able to offer share-it as well?
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- KVRian
- 1196 posts since 15 May, 2002 from Triple-Octo-Core, 128GB RAM, Midi sequencer Pro-16
Thx, the problem with them is, my account is kind of out of business and I'm too lazy to fix it. Tried it once with those 0,2 and 0,3 ct-thing, they do to proof it's you but it didn't work out. So far I never had these troubles with share-it.Bassballjg wrote:I'm sorry, but no share-it. What is your problem with paypal? You need not have an account with them, you can just use your credit card, if I recall correctly.thoshu wrote:I'd love to get the wusik-format - but can't do paypal - will you be able to offer share-it as well?
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- KVRian
- 556 posts since 30 Aug, 2005
Like John said, you don't nead a PayPal account to pay someone with PayPal. You can just type in a credit card number when prompted for a form of payment.
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- KVRian
- 1196 posts since 15 May, 2002 from Triple-Octo-Core, 128GB RAM, Midi sequencer Pro-16
aetmos,
thx for pointing out again - so I'll try it with my details w/o logging into my account, didn't come up with that at first
Well, doesn't work. If I use my standard creditcard, they force me to login - if I use another one, they refuse to accept it. Nevermind. Instead of being a slave to my gearlust I go w/o it this time...
thx for pointing out again - so I'll try it with my details w/o logging into my account, didn't come up with that at first
Well, doesn't work. If I use my standard creditcard, they force me to login - if I use another one, they refuse to accept it. Nevermind. Instead of being a slave to my gearlust I go w/o it this time...
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- KVRian
- 556 posts since 30 Aug, 2005
weird