KVR Audio

brendanw · Post by **brendanw** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:53 pm

Hi all.

Am looking for a rather specialised feature out of a program - don't really care which one it is...i'll learn to use whatever i have to.
I'm after a program that can take a live stream of sound (from mics on a stage) and "sample" it into somewhat large (say 1 to 3 min chunks). I want to then be able to play them back like a sample (using a keyboard or just a trigger key) - pitch shifting isn't hugely important, but I'd like to be able to "highlight" a 20 or 30 sec area and hit "loop", or even just export that smaller loop and load it into liveslice. Or just playback a whole 2 min chunck while sampling another set of audio.

Hard to follow? Lets see if this is clearer...

Time | Description of sampling | Description of playback
00:00 | Recording of sample begins | None
02:00 | Recording of sample finishes |
02:01 | Recording of sample 2 begins | Playback and manipulation of sample 1 begins. Small chunks could be exported to another prog
04:00 | Recording of sample 2 finishes|
06:00 | No more sampling | Playback and manipulation of sample 1 & 2.
08:00 | End of piece.

Does this make sense? Is it possible (on a PC laptop???)
I'm generally using eXT in a live scenario with various other bits and pieces (liveslice for one...which would almost be perfect if it wasn't for its small sample size limitation...apparently easy to change, but its not going to happen for some time.

Ideas would be fantastic. I'm willing to try anything - and pay basically whatever it takes...its for a rather important perforance in a few weeks time

Cheers, Brendan.

brendanw · Post by **brendanw** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:08 am

Anyone do anything like this?
B.

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:12 am

I'm not sure if anything does that exactly, but maybe check out some of the stuff that Devine Machine has out. I'm not sure if their stuff has sample size limits, but it might be worth checking out.

beej · Post by **beej** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:34 am

Musolomo on the Mac does this - it's basically an on-the-fly sampler.

As audio passes through, you can instantly record samples or loops to keys on the keyboard, and do funky things with them. More info at www.plasq.com. Doesn't really help if you're not on a Mac, but...

I'm not sure whether you can play back samples while sampling new ones though, I'll have to give that a try...

WoJ · Post by **WoJ** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:35 am

if only eXT would playback the recoded tracks as soon as a loop is over this would be very easy to do. At the moment eXT cant do that, such a simple thing to do i dont know why Jorgen dosnt add it in to eXT1.

eXT2 will probably have many many ways to do this.

You could probably set up an eXT project that uses a tapedelay plugin to record and loop your samples.

You would need to:
-find a tapedelay plugin and set it so that it will record for 2mins (or however many bars that is at whatever tempo)
-set up eXT so that the tape plugin will start on a cc value or note-on value. (nicfit or soma will probably have someplugins to convert note values to cc, or use a qwerty-midi plugin)
-then its just a case of setting up a mixer component within eXT so that when you press one key it will allow the input path to go to 'tape recorder 1', press another key it will go to 'tape 2' etc
- then set up more faders to control the input to the plugin, and the output from the plugin. (so you can stop signals going into the plugin when it loops round, and if you want to mute the plugin but not stop the plugin)

-then set up as many tape-loops as you like and route the signal whereever you want.

-if you wish to use the qwerty keys to trigger things without using a seperate plugin it should be easy to set up the sequencer in livemode with various midi parts/tracks and use that to convert qwerty-keys into sending cc's/multiple cc's)

Either that or buy Live.

WoJ

WoJ · Post by **WoJ** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:42 am

On second thoughts post your Q over at the energyXT forums. More people would be able to give ideas/templates.

I'd make a template for you myself, but i dont know of any 'tape looping plugins' or samples that would record and then loop for a set time.

WoJ

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:54 am

maybe this can do some of what you are looking for?

http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/

there also mobius which is a live looper also. http://www.zonemobius.com/

might also wanna check http://www.loopers-delight.com/

PTV · Post by **PTV** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:11 am

Ambiloop is standalone only but Angstrolooper is a VST:
http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:22 am

paradiddle wrote:there also mobius which is a live looper also. http://www.zonemobius.com/

I had forgotten that you could configure Zone Mobius to be triggered with MIDI notes (I think every function can be mapped to a note). That would be a good solution, and it runs standalone as well as a plugin, which is handy.

Distorted_Mastermind · Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:49 am

the jumping back and forth with a midi controller can be done with traktor dj studio.
something that gave me some ideas was this video #

brendanw · Post by **brendanw** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:08 am

Loads of things to look through - and of course I'm busy mixing now (on someone elses clock) so I wont go into much.
But - yeah I will post again over at eXT forum...
I have fiddled with musolomo...even to the point of getting in email contact with the developers!
I love the concepts behind lisaX. Again, on mac.

I will have a mac laptop with me for the performance, but it will be running 2xmetric halo interfaces to record the whole performance multitracked!
I will definately look into everything else suggested here though.
Can ableton live really do this though?
I owned live 3...could always update just for this project. I'm guessing it wont run INSIDE eXT though huh? (I have some pretty huge eXT setups already, and it would be difficult to rebuild them in a package I'm not entirely used to / comfortable with.

Cheers everyone. Any more ideas will be met with heartfelt thanks. Brendan.

WoJ · Post by **WoJ** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:51 am

you could always just add some sequencer comps into eXT and just stop/start manualy. Depends how critical timing is.

You could just set the end loop point when you're about to press stop, then quickly - stop, rewind and play. Those can be automated from the sequencers 'cc map' I think, so that might be a simple solution.

WoJ

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:09 pm

the other thing I can think of, is reaktor. There seemed to be a ****load of loopers made for it.

realtime sampling / performance.