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AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:05 am

Cool and thanks and no rush, I promise not to end this contest before the end of September.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:27 pm

Hey krraqk, your 2nd track, "solo synth", is in Poly mode. Everything is on channel 1. (I doubt you played those leads all one one string!

) It's the one that's got the best pitch bends in it so it's too bad I can't use it as an example.

Even for a "solo" voiced track, you should prefer Mono mode. Guitars of course are only ever as monophonic as your playing.

If you can get me another version that's not mashed down to Poly mode, that would be great. I have taken your Electric Piano track though and ran it off on 6 instances of a soft-synth (not mine) just to test it... and it came out like this:

http://www.admiralquality.com/mp3/krraq ... p3?contest

That was NOT easy to set up! I had to copy the track to 6 copies of itself, filter the extra channels out of each copy, and then run those to 6 separate instances of the soft synth. But just to prove you CAN do this the "hard way" with virtually ANY soft synth. Definitely not fun though.

autodafe · Post by **autodafe** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:31 pm

@admiral: sorry for the dumb question, but i wasn't able to record 6 midi tracks on 6 different channels in Cubase SX....can someone explain how to do that ? i've lppked in the manual with no luck...

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:35 pm

autodafe wrote:@admiral: sorry for the dumb question, but i wasn't able to record 6 midi tracks on 6 different channels in Cubase SX....can someone explain how to do that ? i've lppked in the manual with no luck...

It should record what comes out of your guitar->midi converter. What device are you using? Check it for a Mono mode option (not in SX, on your guitar device). I BELIEVE SX will record all the incoming channels as-is. (Though I can't readily test this as I have no mono mode producing device myself... if I did we wouldn't be having this contest.

)

Let me know what guitar converter you're using and I'll look it up in the manual.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:48 pm

autodafe wrote:@admiral: sorry for the dumb question, but i wasn't able to record 6 midi tracks on 6 different channels in Cubase SX....can someone explain how to do that ? i've lppked in the manual with no luck...

Also... make sure in SX that the MIDI track's channel setting is set to "Any" and not a particular channel number (1 - 16). I don't know if that actually affects what gets recorded, but it might.

autodafe · Post by **autodafe** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:49 pm

I am using a Roland GR-50 with GK-2 pick up.
I have found the MONO Mode on the GR-50, and tested it with MIDI-OX Midi Monitor - Each string has a different Output Channel, so it is OK...
Problem is that cubase records everything on the same MIDI track. I have tried setting up MIDI filters and so on with no luck....

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:50 pm

autodafe wrote:I am using a Roland GR-50 with GK-2 pick up.
I have found the MONO Mode on the GR-50, and tested it with MIDI-OX Midi Monitor - Each string has a different Output Channel, so it is OK...
Problem is that cubase records everything on the same MIDI track. I have tried setting up MIDI filters and so on with no luck....

YES, you're confusing tracks and channels. If you view what you recorded in the MIDI list editor, you should see different events are on different channels WITHIN the same track.

autodafe · Post by **autodafe** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:54 pm

well...i have always thought that 1 track=1 channel...

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:57 pm

... more on this...

Like the test I just did above. I had to DUPLICATE krraqk's original track (which contained events on 6 MIDI channels) into six copies of itself, then use the Transformer MIDI insert on each of the 6 tracks to filter out all other channels other than the one I wanted. Then each track is routed to it's own instance of the same soft-synth, each playing the same monophonic patch.

So you CAN set this up in real time, you just have to record 6 tracks even though they're all actually the same recording. (It's nutty, I know... a problem with not being able to route the same MIDI track to multiple instruments)

NOW... you MAY have an VSTi instrument that lets you select which MIDI channel it will respond to... that makes it easier as you don't need to set up the Transformer MIDI inserts... but you still need 6 copies of the track in order to route to 6 different synths.

It works

but it's NOT FUN. This is why we want synths that respond to MIDI Mono mode on separate channels AUTOMATICALLY.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:59 pm

autodafe wrote:well...i have always thought that 1 track=1 channel...

Nope! It just happens to usually work out that way.

For instance, if you play a multi-channel piece into Cubase from another sequencer (like through an actual MIDI cable, not by importing a .MID file) and record it live, you'll record all of it's tracks on the same Cubase track. (Well, you can record onto many tracks if you want, but they'll all contain the same MIDI with the events on ALL of the channels on each track.)

Confusing, I know.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:43 pm

Take a look at this autodafe. Here's an SX3 project demonstrating how to do it:
http://www.admiralquality.com/mp3/GuitS ... ip?contest

That's krraqk's contest entry (part of it anyway) playing 6 instances of one of the built in mono synths. Using the MIDI Transformer as an insert to filter out the unwanted channels from each track. (But if you look at those tracks, they all contain the EXACT same MIDI with the performance on ALL the channels on them.)

So you could do this live too. You end up recording more tracks than you need, but whatever. (And to enter the contest you'd just send me a .MID export of one track as they're all the same and all contain all the channels anyway.) And hopefully you're also rolling (audio) "tape" on the guitar's audio output at the same time, and send me that too. Will better your chances.

autodafe · Post by **autodafe** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:56 pm

OK admiral, i think I got it...
i was trying to filter MIDI Channels BEFORE Recording, not AFTER

i had tried the transform Utilities, at least it already has presests for MIDI Channel filtering.

thanks

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:08 am

autodafe wrote:OK admiral, i think I got it...
i was trying to filter MIDI Channels BEFORE Recording, not AFTER

i had tried the transform Utilities, at least it already has presests for MIDI Channel filtering.

thanks

Cool. Again you don't really need any of that to do a contest entry -- though it would help to be able to hear it as MIDI before you send it

... still, as I keep pointing out, I'm not after great performances... this ISN'T a song contest... I just need a Mono mode guitar track, with some notes being bent up while other's aren't... some chords strummed... some whammying (if you have it)... and preferably a copy of the guitar audio (NOT your synth output) for reference.

krraqk's entry had 2 semitone bend... which is probably sufficient for string up bending (though many players can bend further than that), but that range would be a little low for whammy... especially "dive bombs"

. I forget which one offhand, but one of the Roland device manuals I read recently stated the pitchbend is hard-set to 24 semitones! Anyway, whatever it is, let me know. (Ah I see on page 72 of your GR-50 manual that you can set the bender range. Wherever you set that, you'll want to make sure it matches the synth you're playing.)

Cheers!

selfconstruct · Post by **selfconstruct** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:17 am

autodafe wrote:OK admiral, i think I got it...
i was trying to filter MIDI Channels BEFORE Recording, not AFTER

i had tried the transform Utilities, at least it already has presests for MIDI Channel filtering.

thanks

How about "Dissolve Part" from the Midi menu? It will create six tracks from the single, multi-channel track. This doesn't work in real time of course.

AdmiralQuality · Post by **AdmiralQuality** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:25 am

selfconstruct wrote:
autodafe wrote:OK admiral, i think I got it...
i was trying to filter MIDI Channels BEFORE Recording, not AFTER

i had tried the transform Utilities, at least it already has presests for MIDI Channel filtering.

thanks
How about "Dissolve Part" from the Midi menu? It will create six tracks from the single, multi-channel track. This doesn't work in real time of course.

Ah excellent. I knew there had to be something like that as well. But yes, doesn't help in real time. I really wish you could route different channels from one track to many different instruments. (Or even the same channels for that matter!)

Guitar Synth Player CONTEST: Deadline Thurs Oct 5th